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Post by Mike M on Apr 8, 2011 20:14:49 GMT -4
Trust me, I know who goes from the boards and there are only 3-4 people I'd care to meet that go. Could I meet more people that I'd wind up liking, maybe. However, I have two board members I'd like to meet that are less than 2 hours away from me but I haven't bothered to meet them either. I've joked to other people about going and saying. "Hi Kevin, Hi Chewy, Hi Werner, Hi Mark. Nice to meet you guys." and then leave. But that's a long trip to make to fulfill a joke. Seriously? This is your response? Wow.
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Post by Havoc on Apr 8, 2011 21:30:35 GMT -4
Trust me, I know who goes from the boards and there are only 3-4 people I'd care to meet that go. Could I meet more people that I'd wind up liking, maybe. However, I have two board members I'd like to meet that are less than 2 hours away from me but I haven't bothered to meet them either. I've joked to other people about going and saying. "Hi Kevin, Hi Chewy, Hi Werner, Hi Mark. Nice to meet you guys." and then leave. But that's a long trip to make to fulfill a joke. Seriously? This is your response? Wow. Yup, Wow. Wow that I have no desire to travel half way across the country to meet you, JimSteel, Troy, Rob, Brett, etc. Wow that despite him being a God amongst men, I have no desire to slurp Tom's sack. Wow that I have more important things to do than go to a Gaming convention. Like I said, maybe I'd meet some people I'd like but I will somehow manage to survive without them. You like G-Con. I get it. I'm happy for you.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 8, 2011 22:21:15 GMT -4
At least you aren't being dramatic about it
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Post by guest2 on Apr 8, 2011 22:24:28 GMT -4
Seriously? This is your response? Wow. Yup, Wow. Wow that I have no desire to travel half way across the country to meet you, JimSteel, Troy, Rob, Brett, etc. Wow that despite him being a God amongst men, I have no desire to slurp Tom's sack. Wow that I have more important things to do than go to a Gaming convention. Like I said, maybe I'd meet some people I'd like but I will somehow manage to survive without them. You like G-Con. I get it. I'm happy for you.
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Post by maddog1981 on Apr 8, 2011 22:39:17 GMT -4
Yup, Wow. Wow that I have no desire to travel half way across the country to meet you, JimSteel, Troy, Rob, Brett, etc. Wow that despite him being a God amongst men, I have no desire to slurp Tom's sack. Wow that I have more important things to do than go to a Gaming convention. Like I said, maybe I'd meet some people I'd like but I will somehow manage to survive without them. You like G-Con. I get it. I'm happy for you. I find this picture to be a superior option:
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Post by executioner on Apr 8, 2011 22:49:15 GMT -4
While this thread has headed to a new and very odd direction, it is very funny.
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Post by maddog1981 on Apr 8, 2011 22:54:35 GMT -4
Because this one was just so epic it had to be posted.
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Post by Mike M on Apr 9, 2011 10:21:40 GMT -4
Yup, Wow. Wow that I have no desire to travel half way across the country to meet you, JimSteel, Troy, Rob, Brett, etc. Wow that despite him being a God amongst men, I have no desire to slurp Tom's sack. Wow that I have more important things to do than go to a Gaming convention. Like I said, maybe I'd meet some people I'd like but I will somehow manage to survive without them. You like G-Con. I get it. I'm happy for you. My personal experience with G-con is largely irrelevant. What I'm surprised at is that you're lumping a number of people together who are largely dissimilar.... at least some of whom (I think that I'd count myself in that number) that you've had about zero interaction with. I try to appreciate every member (including you) of the community's contributions to this board and any other, while avoiding dwelling on the ridiculous. Ask around. I'm viewed as "reasonable" by most everyone I interact with, even if they're not my "friend". I don't start flame wars and I generally work behind the scenes to end them, not continue them. I've seen you put your foot in your mouth a number of times, and I generally just ignore it when you throw some adolescent comment out there (implying that I or anyone else attends G-con to "slurp Tom's sack" is merely the latest example). To count me or anyone else you've haven't had "bad" interactions with those that you have had negative experience with is short-sighted and immature. I'm not saying that you don't have the right, or that you have to attend G-con to prove something. I'm just saying that you should think about what you write before hitting "post" a little more often.
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Post by wildfire on Apr 9, 2011 11:08:50 GMT -4
Yeah, but what fun would that be? In all seriousness, Mike's right, but internet interactions don't really seem to cover any sort of rational thought filters... that's why flame wars happen. Some people and boards desparately attempt to stop and curtail them, and some nourish and fan them. I suppose we're somewhere in the middle Back to the topic of G-Con.. I ALMOST went a couple years ago... (when ACE was in full swing) my wife has family in Elmira, so I was gonna drop here there and check it out, but it didn't work out. That was also the year that the G-Con crowd thought it would be really fun to post fake spoilers, and be all mysterious, then get mad when I pointed out how they were costing Tom sales by being jerks. That was sorta the last straw in souring me on the community as a whole.. I haven't really had a desire to go since.
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Post by Havoc on Apr 9, 2011 12:04:20 GMT -4
I'm not lumping everyone together. You seem to think that my statement of only wanting to meet 3-4 people there as lumping everyone else together. I've said it twice already that maybe there'd be other people there I'd like. Maybe I'd like you. Maybe I'd like Rob. Maybe I'd like Osk. My point is that I'm not that intrigued to make a special trip to meet find out.
The only person I've almost come to meeting is your brother when he was going to be in town for a wedding that later got moved. If I was going through Indiana, maybe I'd look up BDS. If I was going to be in Texas, I'd see if Knapik was nearby. When I was in Nashville 3 years ago, I was going to look up Trav but realized he lived quite a way away. There just happens to be more guys that either don't go or used to go that I'd rather meet. If I ever find myself near Jamestown in July, then I'll check it out.
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Post by antimony on Apr 9, 2011 12:54:33 GMT -4
You know what I don't understand? Why is Havoc (or anyone else) a bad person because he is selective about who he wants to meet and/or hang out with, and who he doesn't? He doesn't want to go to Galacticon...fine. If he doesn't want to go because the personalities he's encountered have turned him off, that's his business. He has the balls to come right out and say it, and for that, he gets shit? "C'mon."
I have no desire to go to Glacticon either. Never have, and get this...I only live an hour away. My free time is valuable to me, and I'm selective about who I choose to spend it with. I don't want to drive an hour to participate in a "convention" for a game that occupies maybe ten percent of my free time. If there were a ton of people whose company I enjoyed, or even a small group I was close friends with, maybe I'd reconsider. But there is a large group I don't really know, and a small group I absolutely dislike. Why should I (or Havoc, or anyone else) attend?
To say nothing of the fact that it's not really a "convention." It's a new edition release party. And that's fine--there's nothing wrong with a small group of people getting together to celebrate the release of a new game they all enjoy. If that's your thing, fantastic. Other people see it differently, and whether you agree with their reasons or not, if that's how they feel, they have an absolute right to feel that way.
Look at it this way: if Havoc pissed me off on an Internet message board, why should I expect we'd be all warm and fuzzy in person? If he belittled me in public and posted pictures about how lame he thinks I am or posted a long rant about how ugly my wife is and what a loser I am in a public forum, and I don't want to meet him, that right there is sufficient reason for me not to go someplace if I know he'll be there. If you don't like that, or don't agree with it, fine--but that's my choice, not yours, and no one has ANY right whatsoever to question it, because it doesn't affect anyone but me.
Havoc doesn't want to go to Galacticon. Neither do I. Neither do a bunch of people, and whether it's because they don't want to spend the money, or don't want to meet people who they suspect they don't like, or even if they'd rather stay home and watch cartoons all day, that's their right.
If Havoc feels he'd get a hard time if he went, that's sufficient reason for him not to go. Maybe he's wrong--maybe face to face, everyone would be all smiles and hugs and happy to see him. Great. He doesn't buy it (and neither do I), but even if it's true--if he doesn't want to be around a group of people, that's STILL his right, and it's perfectly acceptable.
What's not acceptable is for someone to call him short-sighted or immature, or tell him to consider what he types before hitting "post" a mere five or six lines after saying you've seen him put his foot in his mouth and telling him how you ignore his "adolescent" comments. That's passive-aggressive bullshit, and a "reasonable" person would be better than that.
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Post by toasterboy on Apr 9, 2011 13:00:11 GMT -4
That was also the year that the G-Con crowd thought it would be really fun to post fake spoilers, and be all mysterious, then get mad when I pointed out how they were costing Tom sales by being jerks. I take 100% of the blame for that. It was my idea. It was an offhanded comment during my comedy show at that GalactiCon and it spiraled out of control. If that made folks not want to go to GalactiCon, then I'm truly sorry.
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Post by Mike M on Apr 9, 2011 13:09:31 GMT -4
Back to the topic of G-Con.. I ALMOST went a couple years ago... (when ACE was in full swing) my wife has family in Elmira, so I was gonna drop here there and check it out, but it didn't work out. That was also the year that the G-Con crowd thought it would be really fun to post fake spoilers, and be all mysterious, then get mad when I pointed out how they were costing Tom sales by being jerks. That was sorta the last straw in souring me on the community as a whole.. I haven't really had a desire to go since. I feel bad about that. When Grant made the (offhanded) suggestion that started the whole thing (probably as part of "The Spoiler"), it seemed funny and I wish that it had turned out differently. Being there probably colored the experience differently for me than watching it unfold on a computer screen. Maybe it was hearing Grant's bit, maybe it was just different strokes for different folks. I really didn't think it was as big of a deal as some people did. Bottom line, if that's the reason you don't go, then I apologize for whatever small role I played in it that bothered you.
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Post by Mike M on Apr 9, 2011 13:28:21 GMT -4
What's not acceptable is for someone to call him short-sighted or immature, or tell him to consider what he types before hitting "post" a mere five or six lines after saying you've seen him put his foot in his mouth and telling him how you ignore his "adolescent" comments. That's passive-aggressive bullshit, and a "reasonable" person would be better than that. I'll start by saying that I don't even remember your "real" name. I know that you went by a different handle or handles in the past and it's slipped my mind. I don't deny that you're under no obligation to attend G-con. Neither is Havoc. That's not what my comments were ever about. I chose not to go until 2001. I also chose not to go in one other year (2008, I think) since then. I'm sure my reasons were different than your reasons. That's cool, and I respect your right. Your reasons for not going (as listed in your post, there may be more that I am not aware of) seem to be based on your interactions with 1 person (and possible a couple of his friends) in particular. While those reasons don't stop me from going, it's your decision and I respect your right to make it even if I don't agree with you. Explain to me what was "mature" about Havoc's implication that people attend G-con to "slurp Tom's sack". Don't tell me that he had a right to say it (because I already know that he does). As soon as you give me a good explanation, I'll agree that it was unacceptable to call him short-sighted and immature. I am reasonable like that. Passive-aggressive? I don't think I am. I was merely trying to point out that I don't have a hair-trigger (like you appear to have in this case) but maybe that's a case of being unable to "hear" tone over a keyboard.
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Post by guest2 on Apr 9, 2011 14:05:53 GMT -4
You know what I don't understand? Why is Havoc (or anyone else) a bad person because he is selective about who he wants to meet and/or hang out with, and who he doesn't? He doesn't want to go to Galacticon...fine. If he doesn't want to go because the personalities he's encountered have turned him off, that's his business. He has the balls to come right out and say it, and for that, he gets shit? "C'mon." I have no desire to go to Glacticon either. Never have, and get this...I only live an hour away. My free time is valuable to me, and I'm selective about who I choose to spend it with. I don't want to drive an hour to participate in a "convention" for a game that occupies maybe ten percent of my free time. If there were a ton of people whose company I enjoyed, or even a small group I was close friends with, maybe I'd reconsider. But there is a large group I don't really know, and a small group I absolutely dislike. Why should I (or Havoc, or anyone else) attend? To say nothing of the fact that it's not really a "convention." It's a new edition release party. And that's fine--there's nothing wrong with a small group of people getting together to celebrate the release of a new game they all enjoy. If that's your thing, fantastic. Other people see it differently, and whether you agree with their reasons or not, if that's how they feel, they have an absolute right to feel that way. Look at it this way: if Havoc pissed me off on an Internet message board, why should I expect we'd be all warm and fuzzy in person? If he belittled me in public and posted pictures about how lame he thinks I am or posted a long rant about how ugly my wife is and what a loser I am in a public forum, and I don't want to meet him, that right there is sufficient reason for me not to go someplace if I know he'll be there. If you don't like that, or don't agree with it, fine--but that's my choice, not yours, and no one has ANY right whatsoever to question it, because it doesn't affect anyone but me. Havoc doesn't want to go to Galacticon. Neither do I. Neither do a bunch of people, and whether it's because they don't want to spend the money, or don't want to meet people who they suspect they don't like, or even if they'd rather stay home and watch cartoons all day, that's their right. If Havoc feels he'd get a hard time if he went, that's sufficient reason for him not to go. Maybe he's wrong--maybe face to face, everyone would be all smiles and hugs and happy to see him. Great. He doesn't buy it (and neither do I), but even if it's true--if he doesn't want to be around a group of people, that's STILL his right, and it's perfectly acceptable. What's not acceptable is for someone to call him short-sighted or immature, or tell him to consider what he types before hitting "post" a mere five or six lines after saying you've seen him put his foot in his mouth and telling him how you ignore his "adolescent" comments. That's passive-aggressive bullshit, and a "reasonable" person would be better than that.
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