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Post by lwffantrav on May 2, 2011 13:34:57 GMT -4
...and to be consistent, with these various "facts", I'd be skeptical whoever the president was. So convenient the body is dumped.
I think I'd be more pissed to find out our troops were being fed a phony mission for political gain.
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Post by todd on May 2, 2011 13:40:39 GMT -4
I understand how things dont add up but it's less than 24 hours after the fact. I think things will become clearer by the end of the week. I do believe that Obama was taken out last night like reported but I'm not entirely convinced his location wasn't known about longer than what they're saying and the goverment didn't drag thier feet on doing something about it. It's entirely possible Obama waited until fora oppurtune time to act but we'll never no for sure. The fact is Bin Laden is toast.
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Post by todd on May 2, 2011 13:43:20 GMT -4
... I think I'd be more pissed to find out our troops were being fed a phony mission for political gain. You mean like President Bush invading Iraq instead of focusing on Bin Laden ?
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Post by lwffantrav on May 2, 2011 14:03:21 GMT -4
... I think I'd be more pissed to find out our troops were being fed a phony mission for political gain. You mean like President Bush invading Iraq instead of focusing on Bin Laden ? Considering I agreed with these quotes: "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D,FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003[\b]
In addition agreeing to Clinton's Declaration of Regime Change in the Iraq Liberation Act...
I'd say that's pretty fucking consistent, wouldn't you?
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Post by executioner on May 2, 2011 14:06:28 GMT -4
Conspiracy theories aside, he is gone. Good riddance. And hats of to the intelligence and military communities for the long, hard, and dedicated work they put into this. Contrary to the ignorant talking heads in the media (and I am putting ever news channel and newspaper in this group), the work put into finding this guy was hard and often tedious. Congrats to all for a job well done.
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Post by todd on May 2, 2011 14:14:21 GMT -4
@ Double A how do any of those qoutes suggest that Iraq was behind 911? like Bush claimed but could never convince anyone of despite claiming he had overwhelming evidence
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Post by lwffantrav on May 2, 2011 14:27:18 GMT -4
@ Double A how do any of those qoutes suggest that Iraq was behind 911? like Bush claimed but could never convince anyone of despite claiming he had overwhelming evidence I don't ever recall Bush tying in 9/11 to him. That's the ol media push since they were against the war. Bush said he was going after anyone who were deemed a threat against the US. You may not have agreed, but hey, that's cool
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Post by todd on May 2, 2011 14:35:42 GMT -4
@ Double A how do any of those qoutes suggest that Iraq was behind 911? like Bush claimed but could never convince anyone of despite claiming he had overwhelming evidence I don't ever recall Bush tying in 9/11 to him. That's the ol media push since they were against the war. Bush said he was going after anyone who were deemed a threat against the US. You may not have agreed, but hey, that's cool WASHINGTON In his prime-time press conference last week, which focused almost solely on Iraq, President Bush mentioned Sept. 11 eight times. He referred to Saddam Hussein many more times than that, often in the same breath with Sept. 11. Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president. Still, the overall effect was to reinforce an impression that persists among much of the American public: that the Iraqi dictator did play a direct role in the attacks. A New York Times/CBS poll this week shows that 45 percent of Americans believe Mr. Hussein was "personally involved" in Sept. 11, about the same figure as a month ago.Sources knowledgeable about US intelligence say there is no evidence that Hussein played a role in the Sept. 11 attacks, nor that he has been or is currently aiding Al Qaeda. Yet the White House appears to be encouraging this false impression, as it seeks to maintain American support for a possible war against Iraq and demonstrate seriousness of purpose to Hussein's regime." The administration has succeeded in creating a sense that there is some connection [between Sept. 11 and Saddam Hussein]," says Steven Kull, director of the Program on International Policy
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Post by lwffantrav on May 2, 2011 14:48:39 GMT -4
Okay Todd, read that and still don't see where he said Iraq was part of 9/11. If you are going on "implying", I could listen to many things and imply things (and I may and could be wrong in my conclusion)
Bad example there
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Post by behindthebook on May 2, 2011 17:57:32 GMT -4
Talking politics on the internet is like having sex with a blender... Nothing good can come of it.
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Post by kingwiththeax on May 2, 2011 18:37:32 GMT -4
Talking politics on the internet is like having sex with a blender... Nothing good can come of it. Some things in life you just have to take others word for it and accept it as truth. Your sexual experiences with kitchen appliances will have to be one of those for me.
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Post by wildfire on May 2, 2011 20:31:03 GMT -4
I have every confidence that everyone can discuss in a rational manner without taking personal offense Personally, I'm looking forward to the Daily Show and the Colbert Repor' tonight
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Post by executioner on May 2, 2011 20:38:13 GMT -4
UBL is dead and our servicemembers and intelligence community did a great job. The rest of it is just talk Wildfire.
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Post by wildfire on May 2, 2011 20:43:51 GMT -4
Indeed... there's already quite a bit of talk about the timing, and the circumstances, and whatnot. People will make of all that what they will... people not named Obama probably will never know 100% of the story. The result is most definitely awesome, though
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Post by executioner on May 2, 2011 22:10:07 GMT -4
Very much agree WF. The end result is awesome.
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