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Post by wildfire on May 2, 2011 21:30:19 GMT -4
Maybe they'll be a 'Special Edition' with BDK attire?
Or maybe they want people to THINK he's leaving?
Or maybe they think he's more recognizable this way...
could be anything really.
Anyone compare the stats? I don't have the card in front of me... but 2 finishers is definitely different... and that's some crappy defense.. remarkable so, really... don't recall that, either.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 21:32:28 GMT -4
I think he had a 5(2) pin on his original card.
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Post by wildfire on May 2, 2011 22:05:38 GMT -4
OK, got the card in front of me:
Level 3 Offense is ALOT better.. the original had 1 +2 finisher, and a -2 move.
Levels 1 and 2 are almost identical.. the (pw) on the lvl is the only real change.
Defense WAY worse.. he had 2 reversals on lvl 1 and 2 before, and a 2 PIN. Charts and such are all the same.
Overall, I'll call it a push... mostly just different.
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Post by guest2 on May 2, 2011 22:27:31 GMT -4
OK, got the card in front of me: Level 3 Offense is ALOT better.. the original had 1 +2 finisher, and a -2 move. Levels 1 and 2 are almost identical.. the (pw) on the lvl is the only real change. Defense WAY worse.. he had 2 reversals on lvl 1 and 2 before, and a 2 PIN. Charts and such are all the same. Overall, I'll call it a push... mostly just different. Little bit more to it than just that. Delirious' first card also only had 3 dazed - 1 all on level 1 defense. His new card looks to have 4 on level 1 and another on level 2. Sure, his old card had 4 reversals, but 3 of them were - 1. Looking at the level 1 offense on his old card, how much did that really help him? He had an automatic into the turnbuckle, no - 3 moves an (ag) move and a (pw) move. The only straight move he could land with those 3 - 1 reversals was a sole - 2 move and his two useless - 1 moves. He could have had 5 level 1 reversals and none of them would really be considered a major asset unless he's in there with a guy with a C turnbuckle rating. So he as one less reversal but two of them are - 2 and the other is a - 1. Now look at his offense. His new card has a straight - 3 on level 1 with a (c) on level 2, allowing him chances to move up and try to hit that. Balancing that out a bit is that (ch C), which is an ag move, which is gonna be much harder to land vs. high agility Chikara guys. Defense WAY worse? Nah. Different, for sure.
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Post by wildfire on May 2, 2011 22:41:09 GMT -4
I was goin' for a quick summary... I can't say I disagree with anything you posted, really, in the details.
However... I would call going up a pin without losing any downs way worse by itself, actually.
That triples the chance of losing on the 1st pin attempt, after all. (1 in 12 instead of 1 in 36)
I'd also argue that any reversal is helpful...getting on the turnbuckle chart or having your opponent on defense is better than that opponent on lvl 2 or 3 offense.
It's not as big a difference as I thought at first glance, though, I suppose.
I wonder how much the old stats are used to create the new ones.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2011 21:04:20 GMT -4
I wish I could get to Chicago to buy the Chikara set but I'd have to pull a Foley and hitchhike. I don't wanna go to my cousin's wedding that day dammit I want the prowres cards.
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Post by lwffantrav on May 3, 2011 21:18:46 GMT -4
I wish I could get to Chicago to buy the Chikara set but I'd have to pull a Foley and hitchhike. I don't wanna go to my cousin's wedding that day dammit I want the prowres cards. That would be a hell of a story if you did though (hitchhike there)
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Post by Havoc on May 3, 2011 21:42:13 GMT -4
I wish I could get to Chicago to buy the Chikara set but I'd have to pull a Foley and hitchhike. I don't wanna go to my cousin's wedding that day dammit I want the prowres cards. Don't worry. I'll post fake spoilers from the event once I have the set in my hands.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2011 21:48:26 GMT -4
I wish I could get to Chicago to buy the Chikara set but I'd have to pull a Foley and hitchhike. I don't wanna go to my cousin's wedding that day dammit I want the prowres cards. Don't worry. I'll post fake spoilers from the event once I have the set in my hands. You should do that just because it'd be hilarious.
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Post by Havoc on May 3, 2011 21:55:58 GMT -4
Don't worry. I'll post fake spoilers from the event once I have the set in my hands. You should do that just because it'd be hilarious. Even if I don't go. I'll still make some shit up.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2011 22:06:00 GMT -4
You should do that just because it'd be hilarious. Even if I don't go. I'll still make some shit up. It'd be funny to see someone say shit like "Quack's Chikara Special is a +4 finish and the Inverted one is +5 when used against anyone over 45 pounds (so everyone but Daizee Haze)" or "Tursas has -7 power and a -2 Pin."
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Post by wildfire on May 3, 2011 23:28:31 GMT -4
Or, better yet, go up to Rob in front of Quack and ask him if he wants you to mess with the customers again and post fake spoilers for the set.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2011 23:43:02 GMT -4
Or, better yet, go up to Rob in front of Quack and ask him if he wants you to mess with the customers again and post fake spoilers for the set. This would be pretty funny too.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on May 4, 2011 7:45:59 GMT -4
Maybe they'll be a 'Special Edition' with BDK attire? This card will mark the 3rd Delirious card we have already. A 4th card (unless it is just an art swop-out) would seem unlikely. (Unless it is in the Promoter like his second card)
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 8:18:17 GMT -4
In retrospect I think they went with that for Delirious because most people know him as the guy wearing black/green, most non-Chikara fans have no clue what the BDK is or that he'd even be part of it.
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