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Post by maddog1981 on Mar 6, 2011 12:15:02 GMT -4
This is for you to vent your frustrations with wrestlers where you love the art and character but you despise how sucky the card is or how the card plays in the game. I'll get us started:
Terminus: That first card was just brutal to play. He'd get someone down and then he'd just stall out on level 3 offense and the match would just kind of go on forever until he got DQed or the opponent got the advantage and put him away. He never lived up to the indy ace image he had coming in.
Coven Black: He just sucks. His level 3 offense is atrocious and he can't beat anyone in the ring.
Vanity: He just sucks and it's hard to justify giving him angles and screen time because he can't win any of his matches.
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Post by toasterboy on Mar 6, 2011 14:06:08 GMT -4
I have to agree with Coven Black, stunk up the joint. Won one match the entire year. Not a 100% huge fan of the character but with his constant losing, it was hard to get behind him at all. Plethador had a better record than Coven Black for 2125. That shouldn't happen should it?
But this is my problem with the 'revamped' 2125 set. I remember reading somewhere that Tom want the game to 'play quicker' so most, if not all cards in 2125 got tweaks in the jump to color. In my opinion it just made everyone the same. And boring. Guys whose storylines set them up as people who should dominate...didn't.
Paganax...lost more than won. Paralyze (2125 card)...lost more than won. Overmaster (2125 card)...ditto. The only person in my fed who won more than anyone else in 2125 (and even then he only won one or two more times) was Endgame. Totally understand that in this world, anyone can beat anyone at anytime, but it was better when the dice decided that, not the cards. Gryt is in my Top 10! Paganax is ranked 23 in my fed! What?!
Makes me fear for Monolith's return. Worried that because of his 'attack' he's going to get a marginalized card that'll lump him in with the guys above. The jump to color was such a great thing. The tweaking of everybody's stats during the jump to color that, in my opinion, made everyone just the same...awful.
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Post by maddog1981 on Mar 6, 2011 14:24:20 GMT -4
That's weird. Paralyze is my Interplanetary Champion and he's destroyed everyone so far. Overmaster is a disappointment though, it seems like he gets down and he has a hard time getting back in control of the match.
Paganax is in a weird spot. He beats everyone but the really top level guys.
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Post by toasterboy on Mar 6, 2011 15:02:39 GMT -4
After looking deeper into my records after making the above post, Bishop Hell (II) actually has performed how I would expect him to. Solid midcard guy and current Interplanetary champion. But he's the one card from the set that has.
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Post by todd on Mar 6, 2011 15:53:08 GMT -4
I think Coven Black's card has to be one of the worst ones ever. I'm about halfway through 2125 and he still hasn't won a match. I think he's the only one without a single win. Like Maddog said Paganex gets wins but not against anyone real good like Endgame. I've pushed Paralyze and he blows the big matches. Oracle is the weirdest because he's undefeated in the infinity challenge but only has one win outside of it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2011 15:59:07 GMT -4
Matinee Idol. I like the look of the character, and the character itself, but his wrestling card is bad to the point when I used him in LLUSA/LLI on the Oboard I had to make modifications to his card just so he could even hang with the guys I had him feuding with.
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Post by maddog1981 on Mar 6, 2011 16:03:55 GMT -4
Coven Black is 2-7 for me. He has a surprise win over U.S. Male and I think a win over Scimitar/Plethador/Nitro. I don't remember who. On the other hand with 2125, the modifications to Tanck's card has finally turned him into a guy that wins most of his matches for me. He was a jobber before the tweak to his finisher.
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Post by Marduuk on Mar 6, 2011 16:22:53 GMT -4
Terminus was never as good as he was made out to be. It was all that "Forearm Shiver -2" on L3O. Still, I like him.
Anivar never seems to match up for me.
Liked Paragon's character, hated his pic
I am sure there are more.
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Post by wildfire on Mar 6, 2011 21:04:42 GMT -4
Vanity immediately comes to mind... he should have been a mid-carder, at least.... but I think there's just too much difference between the top and the bottom in 2087.... though I agree with Grant that it's now too far the other way.
I thought Iron Mane should have been better too. He's a solid mid-carder, but he can't hang with Spike, who he was brought in to feud with.
OTOH, I think the Matador was too good... while he has great art, he really had no personality other than 'Chaos' sidekick'
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2011 3:24:29 GMT -4
Ok, time to chime in... first.. wildfire - Matador is one of my all time favorites. Love the art and he had some really great matches for me. I kind of ditched the whole Chaos' herald thing and just let him run wild until the fed wars sets. Now onto characters... I love Anivar, really, I do... but he just cannot win for shit. He is 0 - 5 right now in 2125. Granted most of the losses are DQs but still. Coven Black - Like the idea of a Vampire wrestler (I dug Count Necros) though Im not a fan of the art. As for his performance... pitiful. He is 2 - 5 for me so far. One win was against Tristan, which is not saying much at all. The other win was an awesome match with Ensor that Id consider MOTY candidate.
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Post by wildfire on Mar 8, 2011 13:23:03 GMT -4
I'll grant that I never really got to the fed wars era (I only ever got as far as 2097 or so) so perhaps I'd feel differently about him if I had done so. The other thing is he had the same card for so long... I like updates Anivar(and Tristan) I feel like they're supposed to be Batista and Rey-Rey (The art certainly is) and that makes me have trouble with the character, to be honest... it's just too blatant a 'tribute'. I'd much rather see a guy with the move set of a famous wrestler but a different look if you want to go that route. Coven Black is clearly a nod to pop culture, which is fine, but I doubt he'll last long. I haven't really done anything with 2125, but his card seemed decent... a guess with the power creep, though, it's not enough.
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Post by maddog1981 on Mar 8, 2011 13:49:06 GMT -4
It's his level 3 offense. He'll get guys down really quick and then stall out when it's time to finish them. So eventually his opponent gets back into it and beats him.
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Post by MT on Mar 8, 2011 23:54:59 GMT -4
Coven Black's been a total bust in the ring so far, which doesn't bother me because it doesn't effect the way I've been using him at all (mostly out of the ring storyline stuff, but that is partially because he's not all that good in a match).
As far as the topic at hand I'd have to say Paragon is one that was mentioned that I'd have to agree with. I liked the character, liked the idea, but the weird drawing that made him look like the third member of The Fantastics and the awkward stats made him not live up to what I'd hoped he'd be. I like the Dimension X Classics card of him way better than the GWF one.
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Post by maddog1981 on Mar 9, 2011 19:04:45 GMT -4
I had some instances where it took forever for Paragon to put a jobber like Mutant away just because he couldn't roll that damned finisher of his right.
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Post by Mawson on Apr 7, 2011 3:23:52 GMT -4
Terminus is one of my favourite characters, I always wanted him to have a major upgrade!
Janus always disappointed me a little, again I loved the character and wanted him to be better.
Obviously, Mandrill is in this list, he never managed to dominate. Though, strangely, I rather liked that, he had an ego that his ability couldn't match. I found that kinda cool.
I totally agree with some of the posts above, there needs to be a clear definition in ability. The GWF works best when there are a handful of guys who are a step above the rest. The fed needs that range of ability from world-beater right down to an undercard bum.
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