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Post by tyguy on Apr 9, 2011 14:21:35 GMT -4
The fake spoilers wasn't your fault Grant, even if it was your idea. It was a big deal to the people not there. I remember watching Tom, looking like he didn't like what was going on, maybe saying something once. But he didn't step in and stop it. He let it go on with full knowledge of what they were doing.
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Post by antimony on Apr 9, 2011 15:52:47 GMT -4
I go to gaming conventions, attended by real gamers, who are fans of real companies. Sometimes, companies choose to release new (and occasionally long-anticipated) products at these conventions, where attendees can get them before anyone else.
Sometimes these fans take the new product, then go onto the Internet and post "spoilers" about whatever they just purchased.
The number of fans who post "fake" spoilers is probably very small.
The number of fans who conspire with everyone else in attendance to post fake spoilers is zero.
The number of game companies who would allow such a thing to happen: zero, and shame on any company (including Filsinger Games) who endorses it, even by its silence on the issue.
When Grant said they should do it, it was part of a comedy routine. When it migrated to the group actually discussing it, it became a bad idea. When it actually got done, it became downright foolish and classless. If it was "just" a few random fans, it would be one thing. But when it involves people who are part of the Filsinger Games creative process, and therefore represent the company, it becomes unprofessional.
It reinforces the idea that this is a party for the "cool" crowd, and that they are entitled to some special sort of status just because they made a trip. What they are entitled to is the first look at the new material, and whatever fond memories they take away from the trip. They should not be entitled to play a prank on the entire rest of the fan base and then expect that fan base to hink it's no big deal.
Do you think White Wolf would sanction (implicitly or otherwise) one of their freelance editors posting a bunch of fake spoilers about their latest Vampire sourcebook after GenCon? Especially if that was the ONLY post coming out of the convention that described whether or not the book should be purchased?
The people at GenCon, the long-term "icons" of the board, and Filsinger Games itself needs to decide if they want to be an insular little community that never expands beyond its current core of followers, or a grown-up sort of operation that actually has a chance of selling new products to new supporters.
Go to the Wizards of the Coast, White Wolf, Paizo, Blizzard, or any other official message board some time. Yes, there are some die-hard supporters who attack anyone who questions the product. But there are just as many (possibly more) people who criticize--sometimes savagely--the company, its products, and even ts leaders. Those posts are seldom deleted unless they contain profanity or are otherwise inappropriate in tone (but not content).
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Post by maddog1981 on Apr 9, 2011 16:13:19 GMT -4
White Wolf tried to charge their players a licensing fee for meeting and playing the game a couple of years ago. I wouldn't use them as an example of a company that doesn't alienate people.
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Post by antimony on Apr 9, 2011 16:15:47 GMT -4
Explain to me what was "mature" about Havoc's implication that people attend G-con to "slurp Tom's sack". Don't tell me that he had a right to say it (because I already know that he does). As soon as you give me a good explanation, I'll agree that it was unacceptable to call him short-sighted and immature. I am reasonable like that. Passive-aggressive? I don't think I am. I was merely trying to point out that I don't have a hair-trigger (like you appear to have in this case) but maybe that's a case of being unable to "hear" tone over a keyboard. Was it mature? No, of course not. It was Havoc being Havoc, and in this case, being Havoc in response to what he probably thought was a specious, dismissive post, to wit: "Seriously? This is your response? Wow." Havoc is often immature, and often takes things much farther than I am comfortable with. When he does that, I ignore it. Or, if I feel inclined to take issue, I take issue with him privately. I certainly don't expect him to change because of how I feel (though I suspect if he crossed a certain type of line without realizing it, he would apologize and be sincere in doing so--not for what he did, but for the unintended consequences of it). What I don't do is dismiss him with an off-hand "wow," then act surprised when he comes back twice as Havoc-ey as before. Here is an example of a non-passive aggressive response to his second post: "Wow--I think you are completely wrong about the convention and the people who attend. But obviously, nothing I can say will change your mind, so I'm just going to let it go, and hopefully we can agree to disagree about this." Here is an example of a passive-aggressive response: "People think I'm a reasonable person. Because I'm reasonable, I usually ignore the many times you act like a jackass, and this is one of those times. You should try thinking twice before you post something inflammatory--like I do." For the record, another passive-aggressive comment: "I don't have a hair-trigger (but you seem to)." I don't, by the way. And I'm a far cry from being one of Havoc's biggest fans; while I respect his willingness to speak his mind and endure whatever slings and arrows may come his way for it. I don't have that sort of fortitude. In this case, however, you started it, and he responded, which shouldn't have surprised you. You chose to engage him, and in doing so, tried to take him down while still putting on the air of a "nice guy." You can call him immature. You can call him short-sighted. You can call him a whiny asshole, if you like. What you can't do is call him while pretending to be too reasonable to call someone an immature, short-sighted, whiny asshole. Apropos of nothing, why would my real name make a difference?
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Post by antimony on Apr 9, 2011 16:16:39 GMT -4
White Wolf tried to charge their players a licensing fee for meeting and playing the game a couple of years ago. I wouldn't use them as an example of a company that doesn't alienate people. Heh. Fair enough. However, did they have a global moderator run through the message board and delete any posts criticizing the philosophy?
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Post by guest2 on Apr 9, 2011 16:24:07 GMT -4
anyone else notice it's always the most uptight posters here who are having the least amount of fun?
just sayin'
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Post by antimony on Apr 9, 2011 16:29:44 GMT -4
anyone else notice it's always the most uptight posters here who are having the least amount of fun? just sayin' I don't know. Outside of the occasional bad meeting at work and the odd guest post, I tend to enjoy my life. And I'm pretty uptight, what with my capitalization and punctuation and whatnot.
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Post by antimony on Apr 9, 2011 16:31:41 GMT -4
I can post pictures, too. Look: Guess what. It doesn't make me cool, and it never will. Thanks for playing, "guest."
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Post by Havoc on Apr 9, 2011 16:37:51 GMT -4
anyone else notice it's always the most uptight posters here who are having the least amount of fun? just sayin' Nope never noticed that. I did notice that registering for this board is relatively easy, and free!!! However, Growing a pair = priceless.
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Post by maddog1981 on Apr 9, 2011 16:49:47 GMT -4
White Wolf tried to charge their players a licensing fee for meeting and playing the game a couple of years ago. I wouldn't use them as an example of a company that doesn't alienate people. Heh. Fair enough. However, did they have a global moderator run through the message board and delete any posts criticizing the philosophy? It wouldn't surprise me honestly. I am this is the company that released a card game called Pimp: The Backhanding.
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Post by executioner on Apr 9, 2011 16:50:39 GMT -4
Filsinger Games itself needs to decide if they want to be an insular little community that never expands beyond its current core of followers, or a grown-up sort of operation that actually has a chance of selling new products to new supporters. Mike M, while you have stepped into a less than welcome crown, I appreciate your thoughts. Antimony, as always you bring the best points out in every thread. I would like to address this part of your post. FG products and marketing is geared toward expanding to new fans. The color COTG cards and the upcoming Chkara set show this. This "current core" you refer to is very inclusive and is more interested in keeping their "cool" status at all times, even to the extreme detriment of a game they claim to "love".
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Post by Havoc on Apr 9, 2011 16:56:54 GMT -4
Filsinger Games itself needs to decide if they want to be an insular little community that never expands beyond its current core of followers, or a grown-up sort of operation that actually has a chance of selling new products to new supporters. Mike M, while you have stepped into a less than welcome crown, I appreciate your thoughts. Alimony, as always you bring the best points out in every thread. I would like to address this part of your post. FG products and marketing is geared toward expanding to new fans. The color COTG cards and the upcoming Chkara set show this. This "current core" you refer to is very inclusive and is more interested in keeping their "cool" status at all times, even to the extreme detriment of a game they claim to "love". I would love it if Antimony changed his name to Alimony. Not sure why I found it as funny as I did.
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Post by executioner on Apr 9, 2011 16:58:17 GMT -4
Whoops. lol
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Post by guest2 on Apr 9, 2011 17:36:51 GMT -4
anyone else notice it's always the most uptight posters here who are having the least amount of fun? just sayin' Nope never noticed that. I did notice that registering for this board is relatively easy, and free!!! However, Growing a pair = priceless. This coming from the big girl too afraid to go to Gcon lol
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Post by guest2 on Apr 9, 2011 17:40:03 GMT -4
Filsinger Games itself needs to decide if they want to be an insular little community that never expands beyond its current core of followers, or a grown-up sort of operation that actually has a chance of selling new products to new supporters. Mike M, while you have stepped into a less than welcome crown, I appreciate your thoughts. Antimony, as always you bring the best points out in every thread. I would like to address this part of your post. FG products and marketing is geared toward expanding to new fans. The color COTG cards and the upcoming Chkara set show this. This "current core" you refer to is very inclusive and is more interested in keeping their "cool" status at all times, even to the extreme detriment of a game they claim to "love". Dude I bet you would have a great time. All your friends are friends with the same people. I'm sure everyone would enjoy your company. You are a good guy and a smart wrestling fan. I'm sure you would get along just fine with everyone. I really think you'd be surprised.
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