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Post by MT on Aug 13, 2013 10:36:42 GMT -4
Top 10? I'd love to hear the argument for Savage not being top 3, especially looking at the guys in the game. No disrespect to anyone in the game, but Freddie Blassie has an elite card. Randy Savage should be better than him. I'm pretty sure Savage is top 3. I meant top 5 or 10 at the worst. Sorry that I wasn't clear! For what it's worth, if you go by the forum ratings system (and we've had LONG discussion about that, but it gives some general idea), the top ten as of now are: Andre Thesz Mil Mascaras Rikidozan Freddie Blassie Bockwinkel Rogers RVD Brazil Gotch I can definitely see Savage taking his place towards the top half of that list.
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Post by Cory Olson on Aug 13, 2013 10:46:21 GMT -4
I'm pretty sure Savage is top 3. I meant top 5 or 10 at the worst. Sorry that I wasn't clear! For what it's worth, if you go by the forum ratings system (and we've had LONG discussion about that, but it gives some general idea), the top ten as of now are: Andre Thesz Mil Mascaras Rikidozan Freddie Blassie Bockwinkel Rogers RVD Brazil Gotch I can definitely see Savage taking his place towards the top half of that list. Thanks for finding this list, Mark! Looking at it, I think it's safe to say Savage will be top 3. Obviously the dice may tell us differently, but our goal is top 3.
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Post by MT on Aug 13, 2013 10:52:45 GMT -4
Not to sidetrack the thread, but I think it's interesting that four of the original twenty-four still inhabit spots on the top ten cards list. You could make a case for Brazil being a little strong for his overall spot in the history of wrestling (I'd make Race a little stronger and have him in that spot if it were me; meaning four would still be there), but there is no doubt that the first box set is an amazing lineup of some of the all-time greats.
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Post by Cory Olson on Aug 13, 2013 13:36:40 GMT -4
Not to sidetrack the thread, but I think it's interesting that four of the original twenty-four still inhabit spots on the top ten cards list. You could make a case for Brazil being a little strong for his overall spot in the history of wrestling (I'd make Race a little stronger and have him in that spot if it were me; meaning four would still be there), but there is no doubt that the first box set is an amazing lineup of some of the all-time greats. Also, not to sidetrack, but I wonder if Bobo's Rahl Rating is based on his original card, and not the 2007 rerelease. I recall when we worked on the rerelease, Tom specifically mentioned wanting to tweak Bobo a bit, because he was maybe a little tough. Agreed that the first set is a great line-up! I liked the mix in that, and other sets, like the possibility of Frank Gotch wrestling the Sandman.
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Post by MT on Aug 13, 2013 15:10:21 GMT -4
Not to sidetrack the thread, but I think it's interesting that four of the original twenty-four still inhabit spots on the top ten cards list. You could make a case for Brazil being a little strong for his overall spot in the history of wrestling (I'd make Race a little stronger and have him in that spot if it were me; meaning four would still be there), but there is no doubt that the first box set is an amazing lineup of some of the all-time greats. Also, not to sidetrack, but I wonder if Bobo's Rahl Rating is based on his original card, and not the 2007 rerelease. I recall when we worked on the rerelease, Tom specifically mentioned wanting to tweak Bobo a bit, because he was maybe a little tough. The only change that made it to the final printed version of the 2007 re-release is that his level 2 move #4 went from "falling elbow-3(chD)" to "falling elbow-2(ch F)". I don't want to do the math right now, but if that number listed on the official boards is for the original card his rating would drop from 41 (tied with Gotch) to 39. That would put him at number 11 overall (tied with Baba and Gordy) and step Brody and Snuka into a tie the tenth spot with a rating of 40.
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Post by lowtrav on Aug 14, 2013 17:01:08 GMT -4
Savage should be a top guy in Legends, zero doubt
I can nitpick about some (Orton's ratings), but I still think Blassie and Rich are vastly overpowered and Race is underrated
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Post by MT on Aug 15, 2013 1:03:42 GMT -4
Lost in this discussion is where The Genius belongs in the order. Genius was a stp up from the Leaping Lanny persona, and actually had a countout win over Hulk Hogan on Saturday Night's Main Event. Mind you, that was just to set up the match with Hogan and Mr. Perfect, but it goes on his resume anyway. If Genius is straight "carpenter status" I will not be amused. I'd rate him right around or a notch below Buddy Rose level, if I were to use another card for comparison (just the card for stat comparison, not inviting career discussion).
As far as Angelo, that's a real tough one. He was very sound, but never a national level player. He held the version of the US title famously worn by The Sheik, but that short reign was his only notable singles title. I imagine a solid mid-card style set of stats for him.
Travis, Blassie is definitely up for debate. He had legit star power in the US and Japan and was able to hang with, and beat Rikidozan, in his home country. The version of the world title he held, even though mostly forgotten now, was seen as a major world title back in the day. I'd imagine that was a factor. You never saw him on the losing end of things a lot either, even right up until retirement. I think they probably gave him stats to be competitive with Rikidozan.
PS: Regarding Angelo, I looked it up to be sure and that Detroit US title was his only major singles title. Also of note, wikipedia has Angelo's WWA tag team partner confused with the more famous Nikolai Volkoff; Poffo held the WWA tag titles with Nicoli Volkoff, the earlier guy with the same name (spelled different).
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Post by MT on Aug 20, 2013 11:02:42 GMT -4
Angelo Poffo art was posted online last night and it looks great. Steve Stanley really outdid himself with all three in this set.
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Post by chewey on Aug 20, 2013 12:03:51 GMT -4
By the way, Lanny is awesome. I wrote him, and he wrote right back to talk about the Cincinnati Reds.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 11:50:14 GMT -4
I am stoked! Hoping my set shows soon as I already have plans with what to do with them. Jerod gave me a hand in suggestions as to which way to go. But should be a good strong start for the Poffo's. Then I will take them where the dice say to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 19:48:04 GMT -4
Cards showed today and yeah I am liking what I am seeing stats wise. Going to have the Poffo's join forces with Eddie Gilbert and Tommy Rich as The Memphis Mafia to take on a long standing Memphis heel stable called The Kings of Memphis of which Bill Dundee,Bobby Shane and PG-13 comprise. Angelo will manage his sons and I am hoping for quite the barn burner of a feud. Memphis blood spilled on Canadian soil! Thinking it will all end up with a stable Concession Stand Match! OH YEAH!! Then we will see where it goes from there.
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