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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2011 16:13:55 GMT -4
SourceI don't know how I feel about this. If they let Strikeforce operate on their own and don't merge the two companies, I might be alright with it.
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Post by maddog1981 on Mar 12, 2011 16:30:21 GMT -4
Strikeforce would be better off with a competent power running the show. I imagine Zuffa will just absorb the contracts they want and let the brand die.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Mar 12, 2011 21:43:34 GMT -4
Not good news at all.
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Post by Havoc on Mar 12, 2011 22:43:47 GMT -4
I find it hilarious that people bitch and moan in boxing about the alphabet titles and too many champions but Zuffa is the devil for taking steps that will eventually lead to all the very best fighting for one fed. All I've seen for the last few weeks is Strikeforce sucks and Zuffa buys them and that sucks too. Jesus. Srikeforce will run out and then: Melendez/Edger, Moussasi/Machida, King Mo/Rampage, Overeem/Cain, Diaz/GSP, etc. Yeah, that'll suck.
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Post by maddog1981 on Mar 12, 2011 22:56:36 GMT -4
Diaz will never win enough fights against UFC fighters to take on GSP.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2011 22:56:45 GMT -4
I find it hilarious that people bitch and moan in boxing about the alphabet titles and too many champions but Zuffa is the devil for taking steps that will eventually lead to all the very best fighting for one fed. All I've seen for the last few weeks is Strikeforce sucks and Zuffa buys them and that sucks too. Jesus. Srikeforce will run out and then: Melendez/Edger, Moussasi/Machida, King Mo/Rampage, Overeem/Cain, Diaz/GSP, etc. Yeah, that'll suck. The Zuffa Zombies would drink the Kool Aid of Overeem/Cain happened. Cain's a good fighter but I don't see him beating Overeem.
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Post by Havoc on Mar 12, 2011 23:03:58 GMT -4
Diaz will never win enough fights against UFC fighters to take on GSP. I was running out of matchups off the top of my head since Diaz wouldn't fight Shields. Diaz/Fitch, Diaz/Krotchcheck, Diaz/Condit, heck Diaz/Pierce. I don't care as long as Diaz gets his ass handed to him.
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Post by executioner on Mar 12, 2011 23:34:04 GMT -4
I find it hilarious that people bitch and moan in boxing about the alphabet titles and too many champions but Zuffa is the devil for taking steps that will eventually lead to all the very best fighting for one fed. All I've seen for the last few weeks is Strikeforce sucks and Zuffa buys them and that sucks too. Jesus. Srikeforce will run out and then: Melendez/Edger, Moussasi/Machida, King Mo/Rampage, Overeem/Cain, Diaz/GSP, etc. Yeah, that'll suck. You raise an interesting point, one that applies to MMA, Pro wrestling and about any other dominant product out there. People claim they want choice or alternatives, until they get a choice or alternative--then said choice or alternative always sucks. What you are left with is a fan base that is either disenfranchised or just likes to whine. I put money on the latter time and again. I think in the end this will be good for MMA in general. It gives MMA a dominant brand name in UFC. A brand name that everyone gravitates too and thinks of. While I don't always agree with Mr. White (i.e. his lovefest for the overhyped Lesner), but this is one savvy and potentially brilliant move that even the boys in Connecticut would be jealous of.
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Post by maddog1981 on Mar 13, 2011 0:57:53 GMT -4
I find it hilarious that people bitch and moan in boxing about the alphabet titles and too many champions but Zuffa is the devil for taking steps that will eventually lead to all the very best fighting for one fed. All I've seen for the last few weeks is Strikeforce sucks and Zuffa buys them and that sucks too. Jesus. Srikeforce will run out and then: Melendez/Edger, Moussasi/Machida, King Mo/Rampage, Overeem/Cain, Diaz/GSP, etc. Yeah, that'll suck. The Zuffa Zombies would drink the Kool Aid of Overeem/Cain happened. Cain's a good fighter but I don't see him beating Overeem. Who has AO ever beaten that would lead you to believe that he's a true top 5 fighter? I would argue that AO has never beaten a top 15 opponent in his entire career. His signature wins are Brett Rogers, Mark Hunt and Paul Buentello. I'm not saying Cain would win, I'm just saying AO is criminally overrated for the calibur of fighters he's beaten in his career.
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Post by maddog1981 on Mar 13, 2011 0:59:33 GMT -4
I find it hilarious that people bitch and moan in boxing about the alphabet titles and too many champions but Zuffa is the devil for taking steps that will eventually lead to all the very best fighting for one fed. All I've seen for the last few weeks is Strikeforce sucks and Zuffa buys them and that sucks too. Jesus. Srikeforce will run out and then: Melendez/Edger, Moussasi/Machida, King Mo/Rampage, Overeem/Cain, Diaz/GSP, etc. Yeah, that'll suck. You raise an interesting point, one that applies to MMA, Pro wrestling and about any other dominant product out there. People claim they want choice or alternatives, until they get a choice or alternative--then said choice or alternative always sucks. What you are left with is a fan base that is either disenfranchised or just likes to whine. I put money on the latter time and again. I think in the end this will be good for MMA in general. It gives MMA a dominant brand name in UFC. A brand name that everyone gravitates too and thinks of. While I don't always agree with Mr. White (i.e. his lovefest for the overhyped Lesner), but this is one savvy and potentially brilliant move that even the boys in Connecticut would be jealous of. Let's be honest here though. Strikeforce did suck. They were run in a very incompetent manner and it just wasn't working. WEC was a much bigger loss as an alternative because they were running a great product before the UFC absorbed them entirely.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Mar 13, 2011 7:37:05 GMT -4
I would have to agree that Strikeforce was run in a poor manner, but to say it sucked? Every Strikeforce event that I have watched has been well worth the time spent. Just like Elite XC & WEC, the UFC alternatives serve as a way for young talent to get exposure and guys that the UFC are not using (Nick Diaz) to have a stage. When it was UFC vs Pride, they offered very different products. I don't see why people can support both, because if you are an MMA fan you should want to see the sport grow. I know that Dana White said that you would never see women fighting in UFC, but stars like Cyborg and Carano were able to shine in those alternate feds. And any fan of the sport will be hard pressed to say that they have not been impressed with some of the women's matches that have been shown. (and I am sure one of you will swear that they are a fan and that you hate it!) I know that there is still Dream and such in Japan, bur a viable North American rival to the UFC would only help the product.
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Post by maddog1981 on Mar 13, 2011 8:47:13 GMT -4
I think it sucked. It had gotten to the point where they were pushing so many freakshows and gimmick guys that you would get shows just littered with them. It also sucked in the sense that Strikeforce couldn't go with anything. Chad Griggs beat Bobby Lashley? Don't push Griggs, just kind of hope he goes away and then pout that your project lost. And the women thing for Strikeforce is really overblown. They essentially have 4 women that they shuffle around endlessly and call it a division. The other big problem with Strikeforce was Fedor. They got Fedor and suddenly they thought they were a bigger deal than they really were. It also exposed how inept Coker is and the fact that he can't control his talent and make the big potential match ups in his promotion happen.
Really, Bellator was a much better run promotion. They knew what they were. They have an interesting product with a slick television production. I found myself looking forward to the nobodies going through their tournaments then I did anything from Strikeforce in the last year and a half.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Mar 13, 2011 12:28:42 GMT -4
@md: We obviously have different opinions about Strikeforce (which is fine and for those who feel ppl can't have different opinions and NOT fight, this is a good example of how to act), and I too enjoyed Bellator (when they would show it - it was moved repeatedly for hockey or basketball games because of the market), but whether they are over-hyped "stars" (Barnett) or "nobodies", those guys had an opportunity to show their stuff. As for the women, they did hype certain women more than others, but they did have women on the Challengers cards that earned their way up the card. I have seen other women's fight leagues where these ladies are killing each other in-front of 30 people. In Strikeforce, they were in-front of crowds of a couple thousand (on the major cards, at least).
I don't think anyone who knew anything about MMA felt that Strikeforce was better than UFC for the overall product, but it was an alternative. I have always felt that a competitor will make the top dog better.
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Post by maddog1981 on Mar 13, 2011 12:36:41 GMT -4
This does have an agreed upon good effect. It will kill M-1 in the U.S.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Mar 13, 2011 13:02:11 GMT -4
This does have an agreed upon good effect. It will kill M-1 in the U.S. Pretty effectively.
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