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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 7:40:17 GMT -4
"LUCHA LIBRE USA MASKED WARRIORS TV DONE?
By Mike Johnson on 2010-08-28 17:25:00
Talent in Charlotte, NC were told that tonight's Lucha Libre USA event will now just be a house show and the TV Taping portion has been canceled. Talent were shocked by the announcement since some of them were doing pre-tapes yesterday.
Talent were also told that any additional TV Tapings were being postponed until 2011.
Obviously, that doesn't bode well for the Masked Warriors series on MTV2. The series was announced for 52 episodes when it launched but the most recent episode mentioned a "season finale" upcoming.
In a related note, Ric Flair is at the Charlotte event backstage. His sons David and Reid are scheduled to wrestle as a team for the first time."
Who knows
I liked having something different on my television, LLUSA was not perfect but I liked it but you could see that with MTV's history with wrestling is not good so the writing was on the wall for this not to last long...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 10:38:31 GMT -4
LLUSA are probably kicking themselves for fucking over AAA now. At least a show with guys like Wagner, Silver King, Octagon, Chessman, Sabu, Mesias, Cibernetico, Hernandez, pretty much the entire AAA roster (who most people with an internet connection can find out about, though a good amount do) would have done far better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 10:52:08 GMT -4
LLUSA are probably kicking themselves for fucking over AAA now. At least a show with guys like Wagner, Silver King, Octagon, Chessman, Sabu, Mesias, Cibernetico, Hernandez, pretty much the entire AAA roster (who most people with an internet connection can find out about, though a good amount do) would have done far better. Well I've talked to a few people who follow AAA continue to say that LLUSA are linked to AAA, I'm sure if it was true AAA would have had their hands in it and a side note they did run the AAA Video Game commercial during LLUSA yesterday...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 12:33:43 GMT -4
LLUSA are probably kicking themselves for fucking over AAA now. At least a show with guys like Wagner, Silver King, Octagon, Chessman, Sabu, Mesias, Cibernetico, Hernandez, pretty much the entire AAA roster (who most people with an internet connection can find out about, though a good amount do) would have done far better. Well I've talked to a few people who follow AAA continue to say that LLUSA are linked to AAA, I'm sure if it was true AAA would have had their hands in it and a side note they did run the AAA Video Game commercial during LLUSA yesterday... LLUSA owns the rights to AAA in the US, but are not using them. That is the only connection between the two companies. Even if AAA wanted to be involved in any way, LLUSA have pretty much fucked them over until next year when the LLUSA-AAA licensing deal ends. Maybe LLUSA will end up making money off of the game, since they do hold the licensing deal. Not sure, but I know that's the only real connection between the two. I also saw the AAA commercial on RAW, Superstars, and iMPACT this week. I also remember seeing the TNA game commercial during RAW/ECW/SD in 2008, and the ECW/WCW games during RAW in 1999/2000. It doesn't really mean anything, just that advertising space was bought. It makes perfect sense to advertise a lucha librer game during a lucha libre show, even if the two aren't linked. Most English speaking Americans aren't going to watch AAA on Galavision because it's not in English, so the best way to reach that demographic is through the English Lucha Libre shows, as well as the bigger promotions' shows. Maybe I'm wrong, but from what I know personally, and what I've seen, LLUSA and AAA are pretty much over, and that's why Jindrak was brought in to produce the show with his own roster.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Aug 29, 2010 12:59:52 GMT -4
The video game does look pretty cool and I am looking forward to getting it on the PSP. (I don't have a PS3, XBox 360, or Wii)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 13:01:22 GMT -4
The video game does look pretty cool and I am looking forward to getting it on the PSP. (I don't have a PS3, XBox 360, or Wii) It looks good graphically, no matter what system it's on. The gameplay looks really choppy and unpolished. I'll get it after it price drops. Even with Wagner on the cover, no way in hell am I dropping $60 on a came with no officially confirmed roster. (Wiki is wrong, the company RELEASING THE GAME has released three other "official rosters")
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Aug 29, 2010 13:07:27 GMT -4
The video game does look pretty cool and I am looking forward to getting it on the PSP. (I don't have a PS3, XBox 360, or Wii) It looks good graphically, no matter what system it's on. The gameplay looks really choppy and unpolished. I'll get it after it price drops. Even with Wagner on the cover, no way in hell am I dropping $60 on a came with no officially confirmed roster. (Wiki is wrong, the company RELEASING THE GAME has released three other "official rosters") Well, we will see what the game play looks like. I mean, as nice as the WWE games are, they still are behind Fire Pro. I KNOW some of you will be pissed at that comment, but I have always found FPW to be better than any WWF/E, WCW. ECW, or TNA game. The only one that we found to be close was the AJPW game we had on the Saturn.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 13:49:10 GMT -4
It looks good graphically, no matter what system it's on. The gameplay looks really choppy and unpolished. I'll get it after it price drops. Even with Wagner on the cover, no way in hell am I dropping $60 on a came with no officially confirmed roster. (Wiki is wrong, the company RELEASING THE GAME has released three other "official rosters") Well, we will see what the game play looks like. I mean, as nice as the WWE games are, they still are behind Fire Pro. I KNOW some of you will be pissed at that comment, but I have always found FPW to be better than any WWF/E, WCW. ECW, or TNA game. The only one that we found to be close was the AJPW game we had on the Saturn. FWIW, the AAA game looks exactly like the TNA game, as far as gameplay goes. Not good. IMO, King of Colosseum II (PS2, also made by SPIKE) and Virtual Pro Wrestling 2 (N64, made by AKI) are just as good, if not better than any Fire Pro game. The exceptions being (IMO) SFPWX (which I actually own), 6MS for the Saturn (I also own this, got it in 1999 from some wrestling catalog), and Fire Pro D (Christmas 2005). I'd also throw WCW/nWo Revenge, SmackDown vs. RAW 2006, and SmackDown Here Comes the Pain over most Fire Pro games (ie not the ones I listed), too. It's all preference, so whatever. We'll have to agree to disagree on FPW being better than ALL those other games. I actually played 6MS on my computer a few days ago. Really fun game. While I'm at it, which is your favorite Fire Pro game? Mine is 6MS. For it's time, it had amazing graphics, the gameplay was solid, and the roster was ten kinds of epic. To me, Fire Pro has a ton of little problems that add up, though. The camera angle lends to some really messed up rope breaks, the lamest submissions can end matches (how the fuck would Undertaker lose to a reverse chinlock?), even when the guy who lost by submission hasn't been hurt in the match. And then there's the in-game defaults (this is only in the recent ones) apparent need to throw bombs from the first second of the match, which is cool for Tanaka vs. Awesome, but not Muto vs. Kobashi. And now we're waaaaaaaay off topic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 14:39:23 GMT -4
I'm not out to say your wrong Switchfoot, just stating I know several people who have been following AAA for several years told me that they were linked and it really doesn't matter in the end because it's just entertainment...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2010 15:12:47 GMT -4
I'm not out to say your wrong Switchfoot, just stating I know several people who have been following AAA for several years told me that they were linked and it really doesn't matter in the end because it's just entertainment... All I'm saying is that they're not linked. There's no evidence to suggest that they are, but there's plenty of evidence to suggest that they aren't. It really doesn't matter in the end because LLUSA will be dead by the end of the year, if the Charlotte show wasn't the final nail in the coffin.
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Post by wildfire on Aug 30, 2010 10:46:04 GMT -4
It's too bad, but not too surprising. I don't think Pro Wrestling is popular enough right now to support anything other than WWE.
I think anyone trying to get a foothold would be better to go the Chikara/RoH route and focus on internet/YouTube video and DVD sales from shows.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2010 21:45:26 GMT -4
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Post by ljacone on Nov 12, 2010 11:12:50 GMT -4
To me, Fire Pro has a ton of little problems that add up, though. The camera angle lends to some really messed up rope breaks, the lamest submissions can end matches (how the fuck would Undertaker lose to a reverse chinlock?), even when the guy who lost by submission hasn't been hurt in the match. And then there's the in-game defaults (this is only in the recent ones) apparent need to throw bombs from the first second of the match, which is cool for Tanaka vs. Awesome, but not Muto vs. Kobashi. And now we're waaaaaaaay off topic. Well, Fire Pro's gameplay betrays the fact that it's a puroresa game and not a pro wrestling game. It treats the wrestling like a shoot fight, so the ability to end a match with any move stems from that. As far as wonky submissions without the guy being hurt, I have never seen that for anything short of a Critical where a shootfighter would choke a guy out or something. Certainly not with two wrestlers in the ring. It has been several years since I played 6MS but I play FPA (the first FPW for the GBA) and FPR (on the PS2) very frequently and never see this sort of thing with two wrestlers. A match can still end with any move which is why you have to be careful with submissions in a long match but as far as quick finishes, they are rare. I don't follow you on the "apparent need to throw bombs from the first second of the match," as coming out with big moves early always gets you countered and taken down. In fact you're almost always better off sticking to lower level moves as long as you can to wear the other guy down. The games tend to be pretty hard on the standard settings until you learn the timing, then you (or, at least I) end up working through the levels pretty quickly. Best Fire Pro game for me is Returns, just for the insane roster, features, and match types, although 6MS does have more appeal to fans of American wrestling with the large roster of Americans.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2010 11:24:18 GMT -4
To me, Fire Pro has a ton of little problems that add up, though. The camera angle lends to some really messed up rope breaks, the lamest submissions can end matches (how the fuck would Undertaker lose to a reverse chinlock?), even when the guy who lost by submission hasn't been hurt in the match. And then there's the in-game defaults (this is only in the recent ones) apparent need to throw bombs from the first second of the match, which is cool for Tanaka vs. Awesome, but not Muto vs. Kobashi. And now we're waaaaaaaay off topic. Well, Fire Pro's gameplay betrays the fact that it's a puroresa game and not a pro wrestling game. It treats the wrestling like a shoot fight, so the ability to end a match with any move stems from that. As far as wonky submissions without the guy being hurt, I have never seen that for anything short of a Critical where a shootfighter would choke a guy out or something. Certainly not with two wrestlers in the ring. It has been several years since I played 6MS but I play FPA (the first FPW for the GBA) and FPR (on the PS2) very frequently and never see this sort of thing with two wrestlers. A match can still end with any move which is why you have to be careful with submissions in a long match but as far as quick finishes, they are rare. I don't follow you on the "apparent need to throw bombs from the first second of the match," as coming out with big moves early always gets you countered and taken down. In fact you're almost always better off sticking to lower level moves as long as you can to wear the other guy down. The games tend to be pretty hard on the standard settings until you learn the timing, then you (or, at least I) end up working through the levels pretty quickly. Best Fire Pro game for me is Returns, just for the insane roster, features, and match types, although 6MS does have more appeal to fans of American wrestling with the large roster of Americans. Watch the FPR videos on my YouTube channel, which are ALL COM vs. COM matches. There's more than the fair share of stupid submission finishes. I don't play matches, I sim them. If I want to PLAY a match, I'll play Wrestle Kingdom or KOC where I know I won't see a cobra twist end the match. And FPR doesn't do near as good a job of simulating puroresu as KOC does.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2010 11:26:08 GMT -4
@switchfoot those figures look cool and LLUSA Season 2 kicks off in December and remains on MTV2 but will be only taped at the Hard Rock in New Mexico and it looks like it will air at the messed up time of 10am Friday's, but we'll see on that one... I've been running LLUSA on FirePro Returns and it's been a blast...
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