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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 10:29:56 GMT -4
I'm really annoyed at them for putting the belt on Anderson. Why do that when Matt Morgan was right there? I once got annoyed at who gets the belts in either the WWE or TNA, but now I'm not surprised or annoyed on their choices because they cant please every one of us... I wouldnt mind seeing Morgan as the champ and maybe he will with a possible Immortal turn of Mr.Anderson and both feud for the belt, but I wont be upset if it doesn't happen...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 10:59:53 GMT -4
I'm really annoyed at them for putting the belt on Anderson. Why do that when Matt Morgan was right there? I once got annoyed at who gets the belts in either the WWE or TNA, but now I'm not surprised or annoyed on their choices because they cant please every one of us... I wouldnt mind seeing Morgan as the champ and maybe he will with a possible Immortal turn of Mr.Anderson and both feud for the belt, but I wont be upset if it doesn't happen... But Morgan just got kicked out of Immortal (or was it Fortune? Doesn't really matter, it's essentially the same thing) like a few months ago. Then again, it's TNA, they've done dumber shit than that.
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Post by maddog1981 on Jan 10, 2011 18:25:25 GMT -4
I think this was a stupid reason because it looks like TNA putting the belt on yet another WWE reject. With Matt Morgan, you had a guy that had been out of the WWE for a really long time and TNA has really built him up. This is just an epic of a bad booking decision if you ask me.
This PPV in general pissed me off honestly. You have the faces get pounded and beaten up on television and then they fucking job at the PPV? Okay, whatever. They need to stop with this nWo style booking bullshit. That stopped working 11 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 18:33:42 GMT -4
This PPV in general pissed me off honestly. You have the faces get pounded and beaten up on television and then they fucking job at the PPV? Okay, whatever. They need to stop with this nWo style booking bullshit. That stopped working 11 years ago. THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE DREW THAT PARALLEL. Even as a kid, it pissed me off to see my favorite guys getting constantly run over by the heel faction. Bischoff has no clue what he's doing, and to give him any sort of power over booking (which he DOES HAVE) is ridiculous. His mindset is "Well if the heel wins the fans will watch until the babyface wins". The problem with that mindset is that when the heels win ALL THE FUCKING TIME, nobody even cares about the babyfaces anymore. Also, I just wanna say this: the people in the iMPACT Zone now are borderline retarded. Just, in every fucking way. The fans in 2005/2006 actually seemed somewhat intelligent. The fucking fans they have now? Nope.
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Post by kingwiththeax on Jan 10, 2011 18:51:16 GMT -4
Questionable booking all around these days........What irks me about booking most these days is that both TNA and WWE do stuff that totally contradicts recent history of the promotion and treat fans like they all have ADD that won't remember things that happened a month ago. I have been trying to look past stuff like this, but it gets very hard to do at times.
And I don't get why you rated the Hardy/RVD match as boring because it was just move after move, but you rated the tag team match very highly. Every MCMG match is exactly the same, the same spot fest in a different order, pulling off moves that basically don't have any reason to them not telling any type of story in the ring. Just a hey look what we can do, giving each other directions in the ring like they are performing some sort of circus act.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 19:02:20 GMT -4
And I don't get why you rated the Hardy/RVD match as boring because it was just move after move, but you rated the tag team match very highly. Every MCMG match is exactly the same, the same spot fest in a different order, pulling off moves that basically don't have any reason to them not telling any type of story in the ring. Just a hey look what we can do, giving each other directions in the ring like they are performing some sort of circus act. Did you even see those two matches? Matt vs. RVD had nothing to it but just moves. No attempt to build to anything, no attempt to humor the fans. They just did moves. The fans didn't care, and you could tell that they didn't care either. The whole match was phoned in. I find the criticism of MCMG not telling a story in the ring funny given that neither RVD or Matt can do it now, nor could they do it in their primes. I know that might make someone mad that I said that about RVD, but show me one match, even the stuff with Lynn, where he wasn't just throwing shit at the wall to see what stuck. And before anyone goes "Well if you didn't see RVD in his prime as it happens you wouldn't get it", his prime was during the ECW on TNN era, which I watched every single week. Oh, and the above also applies to Sabu, as well. re: the tag match - Motor City vs. Beer Money, every time its happened, has been a good, or even, a great match. It's the size vs. speed story, it's as basic as it gets. Everything that happens in their matches together has a point and is built to. They actually went out and TRIED to have a good match, and they did. The fans cared, the wrestlers cared, and it showed in every facet of their performance. Maybe you should tell me your definition of telling a story, because the last time I checked, the underdog cruiserweight tag team using their speed and flashy arsenal to try to neutralize the power and size of a heavyweight tag team is telling a story in the ring. So let's review: A well worked match with a simple story and a hot crowd > Two guys who are far past whatever prime they had obviously phoning in a match that the crowd didn't care about whatsoever.
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Post by maddog1981 on Jan 10, 2011 19:45:53 GMT -4
The WWE is more guilty of bad booking than TNA but I honestly don't care enough to invest any time into the WWE. But Nexus does reek of the same 90s nWo style bullshit just without the heels ever being allowed to be competent.
Really the WWE and TNA are at the opposite ends of the spectrum as far as I can tell. They're shitty in completely opposite ways. I put up with TNA because they give me enough good matches on television that I'll put up with it. I honestly DVR through all the non-wrestling segments on Impact.
TNA has just been an utter disappointment to me since Bound For Glory 2006. I've been with TNA since day 1. Day fucking One. I supported this company when they could barely afford enough talent to round out a 2 hour weekly PPV. And they've honestly pissed away a great roster since the last part of 2006. If this company had the balls they wouldn't be letting Bischoff and Hulk Hogan run the show completely.
Look at them, I mean look at them. They don't know how to build up anyone that wasn't with the WWE right now. And they don't use the guys they've actually built up. Look at the TNA Title history. Samoa Joe, Sting and AJ Styles are the only holders of the belt that don't have a very strong association as being WWE talent.
This is the company that took K-Krush and turned him into mega over NWA World Heavyweight Champion Ron "The Truth" Killings in a matter of weeks. This is the company that built up AJ Styles, America's Most Wanted, Monty Brown, Abyss and a bunch of other guys from indy guys to cornerstones of the company.
Honestly, this company has forgotten it's roots and it really saddens me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 19:58:55 GMT -4
I wouldn't say people think of Kurt as a WWE guy now. I mean, it's been almost five years and he's had arguably his best run in TNA not to mention he's the only ex-WWE Guy who's tried to help the company.
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Post by Havoc on Jan 10, 2011 20:12:22 GMT -4
I wouldn't say people think of Kurt as a WWE guy now. I mean, it's been almost five years and he's had arguably his best run in TNA not to mention he's the only ex-WWE Guy who's tried to help the company. 1. Has it really been 5 years?? 2. His best run in TNA? His current TNA run is better than his WWE run? I hope I misunderstood.
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Post by Dustin on Jan 10, 2011 20:19:10 GMT -4
STRONG!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 20:25:38 GMT -4
I wouldn't say people think of Kurt as a WWE guy now. I mean, it's been almost five years and he's had arguably his best run in TNA not to mention he's the only ex-WWE Guy who's tried to help the company. 1. Has it really been 5 years?? 2. His best run in TNA? His current TNA run is better than his WWE run? I hope I misunderstood. 1.) Almost five years. 2.) He's had just as many, if not more great matches in TNA than he did in WWE. The matches with AJ, the series with Jarrett in 2008-2009, the matches with Joe, the matches with Abyss, the two PPV matches with Nigel, his match from last year with Kazarian, the match with Lethal from 2007, both matches with Sting from 2007. He has a lot of great stuff from WWE, but you can hold up his best work from TNA to his best from WWE and I'm pretty sure the TNA run would win.
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Post by Dustin on Jan 10, 2011 20:35:40 GMT -4
He (Angle) entertained me in the WWE with his "true" humor.
His matches (a great amount) in TNA have been amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 20:59:37 GMT -4
My view changed on wrestling when WCW folded and for 2 and a 1/2 years I didn't watch any wrestling. TNA was new to me when they debuted on Spike in 2005 and they brought me back to watching, something the WWE couldn't do and continues to turn me off. I stopped watching TNA for the good percent of 2007 and all of 2008 and pretty much all of 2009, so you can say I've taken a casual stance on wrestling...
Overall I'm not shocked that TNA does what it does and the same for the WWE, for me the product is far from what it once was and there are no let downs anymore from the industry, but thats just me...
I'll keep watching TNA till it no longer entertains me, right now I have no issues coming out of the Genesis pay-per-view...
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Post by ljacone on Jan 13, 2011 10:55:23 GMT -4
Watching the show now.
Kaz and Lethal was a good opener but nothing special.
The Knockouts match was no better or worse than any other straight match Mickie James has had in TNA lately. It certainly wasn't the worst match in years... it wasn't even the worst PPV match in the past year. But don't get me wrong -- it was not a good match. Taz had some great lines in this one though, including comparing Mickie's furry boots to the Lumberjacks, to which Tenay responded by saying "I thought you were going to go with John Nord but you bring Nord AND Scott Norton."
Beer Money and MCMG, these guys always put on good matches and this was no exception. I liked the finish -- maybe teasing the Guns breaking up and feuding? Heh, maybe Shelley can team up with Brother Ray and Sabin can team with Devon?
Speaking of which, the Dudleys match was about what I expected. I will say the crowd was into this match but these two need to work in a no DQ environment of some kind.
Interesting thought I had: Bischoff is a lot harder on the members of Fortune than he is on the other members of Immortal. Eventually these guys are going to have their big feud.
I actually liked Abyss filling in for AJ Styles against Doug Williams, but at the same time, we JUST saw these guys fight on Thursday. I understand that injuries happen and that it was a fill-in, but I can't say I am not disappointed not to see AJ and Doug throw down again. Still, Abyss is a company man and he and Doug did well.
OH MY GOD RVD IS FIGHTING TYLER REKS!!! HOLY-- oh wait it's Matt Hardy. (Reks would have to lose about 50 pounds of muscle to look like Matt, though.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 12:08:13 GMT -4
My buddy Rick dvd recorded Genesis and I watched it lastnight...
Kazarian vs. Lethal - A good match, the X-Division is not what it once was but these two are solid...
Mickie vs. Madison - Bad wrestling continues from the Ladies...
MMG vs. Beer Money - Top Match of the Night, the only bad thing is there really are not many other teams in TNA so we'll be seeing these guys feud for a longer period, TNA needs more teams to mix it up...
Devon vs. Bully Ray - It was what it was, didn't mind it though...
Abyss vs. Williams - Too bad AJ was out, a decent match I like both Abyss and Williams...
RVD vs. Matt Hardy - I have to say this match was ok, I didn't mind it...
Angle vs. Jarrett - I expected this to be just a prelude to the feud and it was...
Morgan vs. Mr.Anderson - A good match, I still like seeing these two in the spotlight...
Mr.Anderson vs. Jeff Hardy - It was more storyline / getting the belt off Hardy and pretty much this ppv compared to last years 1 excellent match which was AJ vs. Angle had 1 excellent match and 3 good overall matches, but thats just me...
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