Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2010 18:16:41 GMT -4
Watched a DGUSA DVD and rewatched Final Battle 2010 today. Gotta get this out. Disclaimer: I like Jim Cornette, but I'm going to point out what I view are flaws in his logic in this post.
This is kind of an interesting topic to me, because both promotions have their strong and weak points about them. DGUSA is pretty much the same philosophy as ROH circa 2006, the idea of bringing puroresu to America while still keeping the American guys relevant. ROH now, thanks in part to Jim Cornette, doesn't resemble what it once was.
The idea with ROH now seems to be that the promotion should be run like an 80s territory. This is a novel idea, but in 2010, it's not exactly a welcome change. The wrestling itself is still great (on most nights), but the ideal behind the promotion is tired. OVW and SMW are perfect examples of taking this kind of promotion way too far, IMO. And the idea that fly ins from Japan aren't needed is kind of stupid, since ROH used to bring them in for every major show, and given they have a working agreement with NOAH, it'd be nice to see it used again.
DGUSA, again, is the concept of bringing a different style to America, and using American guys who can in some respects work well within said style. It's presented like ROH was back in the day, which isn't a bad thing, and it largely doesn't come off as a promotion that's trying to take five steps back and present itself as something new.
And both promotion's styles bear traits I like and traits I dislike. ROH matches can, and sometimes to, take the nearfalls thing way the hell too far. Case and point: Steen vs. Generico from Saturday. They were KILLING each other with ridiculous spots, and kicking out to the point that it numbed the fans for a finish (chair shot) that was simple in nature compared to everything they'd just seen.
DGUSA, on the other hand, suffers from the fact it's associated with Dragon Gate. So while there's a lot of fast paced action, there's also not a lot of selling and some spots that are done just to do spots and get the crowd off.
When I hear Jim Cornette talking about how there needs to be an alternative to Vince, he comes off as not knowing that the internet exists. Promotions like Chikara, PWG, NJPW, NOAH, etc. are easy to find. Go to Google, type in the promotion you want to see, and boom there's a Megapost of matches. It's not that hard. And the DVDs of said promotions are easy to find for sale too. I mean, he buries TNA for being stuck in the 90s, but their TV product feels modern compared to ROH's show, which largely feels dated in presentation and the vibe of the show.
In closing, is there a point to this rant? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure, I just needed to throw this out there. When it comes to these two promotions, both have flaws, and both have things I like about them. ROH has guys I like (Hero, Claudio, Edwards, Strong), but the presentation of it all is off putting. I can appreciate territorial wrestling, being that I have a nice sized collection of Mid South, WCCW, Memphis, and JCP DVDs, but it's 2010. What worked in 1985 doesn't exactly work as well now.
DGUSA suffers from its style being the biggest problem, with the roster being the second. Guys like Sami Callahan and Jimmy Jacobs should not have ANYTHING to do with a promotion like this. I'd even hazard the comment that neither does Drake Younger. Even though I've compared it to ROH 2006, the promotion still feels fresh and new compared to ROH.
Now with all this being said, EVOLVE is still better than both. It's actually unique, and everything I've seen from it, I've enjoyed. Can't really say that about the two promotions in this comparison.
So what are your thoughts? Agree? Disagree? Think I'm out of my mind? Can't find a point to this? Anything to add?
This is kind of an interesting topic to me, because both promotions have their strong and weak points about them. DGUSA is pretty much the same philosophy as ROH circa 2006, the idea of bringing puroresu to America while still keeping the American guys relevant. ROH now, thanks in part to Jim Cornette, doesn't resemble what it once was.
The idea with ROH now seems to be that the promotion should be run like an 80s territory. This is a novel idea, but in 2010, it's not exactly a welcome change. The wrestling itself is still great (on most nights), but the ideal behind the promotion is tired. OVW and SMW are perfect examples of taking this kind of promotion way too far, IMO. And the idea that fly ins from Japan aren't needed is kind of stupid, since ROH used to bring them in for every major show, and given they have a working agreement with NOAH, it'd be nice to see it used again.
DGUSA, again, is the concept of bringing a different style to America, and using American guys who can in some respects work well within said style. It's presented like ROH was back in the day, which isn't a bad thing, and it largely doesn't come off as a promotion that's trying to take five steps back and present itself as something new.
And both promotion's styles bear traits I like and traits I dislike. ROH matches can, and sometimes to, take the nearfalls thing way the hell too far. Case and point: Steen vs. Generico from Saturday. They were KILLING each other with ridiculous spots, and kicking out to the point that it numbed the fans for a finish (chair shot) that was simple in nature compared to everything they'd just seen.
DGUSA, on the other hand, suffers from the fact it's associated with Dragon Gate. So while there's a lot of fast paced action, there's also not a lot of selling and some spots that are done just to do spots and get the crowd off.
When I hear Jim Cornette talking about how there needs to be an alternative to Vince, he comes off as not knowing that the internet exists. Promotions like Chikara, PWG, NJPW, NOAH, etc. are easy to find. Go to Google, type in the promotion you want to see, and boom there's a Megapost of matches. It's not that hard. And the DVDs of said promotions are easy to find for sale too. I mean, he buries TNA for being stuck in the 90s, but their TV product feels modern compared to ROH's show, which largely feels dated in presentation and the vibe of the show.
In closing, is there a point to this rant? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not sure, I just needed to throw this out there. When it comes to these two promotions, both have flaws, and both have things I like about them. ROH has guys I like (Hero, Claudio, Edwards, Strong), but the presentation of it all is off putting. I can appreciate territorial wrestling, being that I have a nice sized collection of Mid South, WCCW, Memphis, and JCP DVDs, but it's 2010. What worked in 1985 doesn't exactly work as well now.
DGUSA suffers from its style being the biggest problem, with the roster being the second. Guys like Sami Callahan and Jimmy Jacobs should not have ANYTHING to do with a promotion like this. I'd even hazard the comment that neither does Drake Younger. Even though I've compared it to ROH 2006, the promotion still feels fresh and new compared to ROH.
Now with all this being said, EVOLVE is still better than both. It's actually unique, and everything I've seen from it, I've enjoyed. Can't really say that about the two promotions in this comparison.
So what are your thoughts? Agree? Disagree? Think I'm out of my mind? Can't find a point to this? Anything to add?