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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 21:15:37 GMT -4
So much for him actually accomplishing anything. Fucking hell man.
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Post by lwffantrav on Dec 23, 2010 22:23:05 GMT -4
Nice use of talent guys up there in the Northeast. Bravo!
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Dec 24, 2010 0:00:50 GMT -4
What was the point of having him win?
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Post by maddog1981 on Dec 24, 2010 0:21:45 GMT -4
In fairness to the WWE. Low-Ki is notorious for having attitude problems and rubbing people the wrong way. Not saying it happened here, just that Low-Ki getting released from anywhere should never really be a surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2010 10:34:15 GMT -4
I like Kaval, but he really doesn't fit the WWE like many ex-TNA / Indy guys that have come after R-Truth, CM Punk and Daniel Bryan. The whole NXT thing has crapped out and really the WWE has too many wrestlers...
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Post by maddog1981 on Dec 27, 2010 8:42:58 GMT -4
So the updates make it sound like typical Low Ki getting pouty about doing jobs and blowing up his spot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 9:50:58 GMT -4
So the updates make it sound like typical Low Ki getting pouty about doing jobs and blowing up his spot. I kind of get where he's coming from, I mean the guy didn't really win a match after NXT Season 2, but at the same time, he was making more money being a job guy than he ever could anywhere else. And given that he's nuked his bridges virtually anywhere but JAPW and PWG, I'd say it was about the dumbest goddamn thing he could do.
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Post by MT on Dec 27, 2010 10:03:17 GMT -4
but at the same time, he was making more money being a job guy than he ever could anywhere else. He can actually make more money working for himself and taking indy bookings. Or at the very least, a comparable sum depending on how much he wants to work, than had he stayed with the WWE with the idea that "creative had nothing for him" (meaning he'd be doing jobs with no storyline until the end of his deal anyway). WWE developmental deals are VERY low right now, to the point that you're seeing guys on television who make about the same money per year as the guy stocking shelves at Wal-Mart. I've heard as low as 20-30,000 a year, and the guys who get called up to the main roster and are still under those deals have to pay their own travel and lodging on the road. If Low-Ki takes a steady stream of indy bookings and does one or two tours of Japan this year he'll end up coming out ahead. At some point you have to look at all of these guys whom ask for their release and all of the guys who leave the WWE and talk about the poor working conditions of the last few years, and see a trend beyond "disgruntled ex-employee". I'm not entirely down on the company, but it's pretty clear they have a huge morale problem and the guys with a more wrestling-oriented mentality are better off financially and personally staying on the independent scene and doing their own thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 10:10:59 GMT -4
but at the same time, he was making more money being a job guy than he ever could anywhere else. He can actually make more money working for himself and taking indy bookings. Or at the very least, a comparable sum depending on how much he wants to work, than had he stayed with the WWE with the idea that "creative had nothing for him" (meaning he'd be doing jobs with no storyline until the end of his deal anyway). WWE developmental deals are VERY low right now, to the point that you're seeing guys on television who make about the same money per year as the guy stocking shelves at Wal-Mart. I've heard as low as 20-30,000 a year, and the guys who get called up to the main roster and are still under those deals have to pay their own travel and lodging on the road. If Low-Ki takes a steady stream of indy bookings and does one or two tours of Japan this year he'll end up coming out ahead. At some point you have to look at all of these guys whom ask for their release and all of the guys who leave the WWE and talk about the poor working conditions of the last few years, and see a trend beyond "disgruntled ex-employee". I'm not entirely down on the company, but it's pretty clear they have a huge morale problem and the guys with a more wrestling-oriented mentality are better off financially and personally staying on the independent scene and doing their own thing. You left out the part of my post where I pointed out that Low Ki effectively nuked his chances of working anywhere in the US outside of Jersey All Pro and PWG. ROH don't have the money to bring him in, and he's had a long history of bad blood with the ROH Champion, plus Jim Cornette doesn't like Low Ki. TNA don't really have any use for him, well, same can be said for half the roster but he left a bad taste in their mouths when he left. DGUSA/EVOLVE are out of the question because of the hatred he has for Gabe and vice versa. NJPW don't need him, AJPW have no space for him, and NOAH has Eddie Edwards as their token gaijin junior. I'm not sure working small indies plus JAPW and PWG will pay more in the end than staying in the WWE would have. For all either of us know, he could be getting more than the average development deal. Bryan Danielson reportedly is.
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Post by MT on Dec 27, 2010 10:24:07 GMT -4
He can work spot local indy shows, get a few hundred bucks a pop, work the kinds of matches he wants, sell souvenirs and autographs, and move on to the next one. If he's happy doing that, then more power to him. There is a sort of under the radar career to be had doing that. I know of plenty of guys who have gone that route and made it work for them. There's a whole "seniors tour" still out there doing it to this day. I've not heard of him being so much the poison that you detail here (not arguing what you write, just saying I hadn't read about or been told about that side), but there are a lot of guys whom haven't been entirely pleasant to deal with but were talented and still kept getting work.
I'm not a fan or supporter of his, although I'm also not anit-Low Ki either, but I'm just stating that a guy with a name and a rep like his can still carve a niche on the locals and pay the bills.
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Post by ljacone on Dec 27, 2010 11:00:45 GMT -4
I have heard a lot of bad stuff about Low-Ki from my buddy who used to work on the East Coast indy scene. But if he was so bad backstage why would they book him to win the show in the first place? Hey, if he wants to work the indys and not be on the road for the WWE's road schedule more power to him. I won't particularly miss him on SD!, so I wish him the best in his future endeavors.
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Post by maddog1981 on Dec 27, 2010 13:41:38 GMT -4
The problem for Low Ki is that a lot of Indies are staying on a tight budget and I think in general are less tolerant of guys that are a problem like he is. Especially now that you can bring in a couple of TNA guys or the latest WWE release and draw well enough without the headache. I think he used to get away with it because it was hard to find legit draws. Now I think there is a glut of decently known talent and a lot of companies have solid local fanbases now. So guys like Low Ki aren't humored like they once were.
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