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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2011 3:04:41 GMT -4
Pretty self explanatory topic, which WrestleMania do you think had the best build up?
My personal candidates are WrestleMania X, 13, X-Seven, XIX, 22, 25, and XXVI.
I'd probably end up going with XXVI, every match on the card had some sort of build, and the main events (Taker/Shawn, Vince/Bret, Cena/Batista, Jericho/Edge) all had a ton of good build.
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Post by graymar on Jan 17, 2011 8:10:55 GMT -4
It would take some convincing to better WM III in my mind.
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Post by wildfire on Jan 19, 2011 13:38:26 GMT -4
I think I agree with Graymar.... The Hogan-Andre thing was EPIC.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Jan 21, 2011 13:11:03 GMT -4
I have to agree with graymer as well, WM III's build was so awesome that everyone knew about it, even people who didn't watch that wrestling.
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Post by graymar on Jan 21, 2011 14:16:16 GMT -4
In case you may forget (or were too young at the time)...here is the major hype for WMIII (from wiki)...
Like all other WrestleMania events, WrestleMania III was hyped for several months in advance. The main feud stemmed from André the Giant's kayfabe turn and betrayal of his ally, the WWF Champion Hulk Hogan, which began when Hogan was presented a trophy for being the WWF Champion for three years, and André, his good friend, came out to congratulate him. Shortly afterwards, André was presented a slightly smaller trophy for being "undefeated in the WWF for 15 years" and Hogan came out to congratulate André, but ended up being the focal point of the interview. Annoyed by this, André walked out during Hogan's congratulation speech and not long after that, on an edition of the interview segment Piper's Pit, Bobby Heenan, a long-time Hogan adversary, announced himself to be André's new manager André then challenged Hogan to a title match at WrestleMania III and attacked Hogan, ripping off Hogan's T-shirt and crucifix necklace.
Another main feud leading up to the event was between Ricky Steamboat and the Intercontinental Champion Randy Savage. The feud began during a title match between the two when Savage attacked Steamboat as he greeted fans at ringside.Savage then pushed Steamboat over the security rail and delivered an elbow shot that thrust Steamboat's throat into the rail and dropped the ring bell onto his throat from the top rope, injuring his larynx and sending him to the hospital. This resulted in a long, bitter feud that lasted for six months, included several bloody match-ups and finally culminated at WrestleMania George "The Animal" Steele was in Steamboat's corner, having developed a crush on Savage's valet, Miss Elizabeth.
Billy Jack Haynes and Hercules Hernandez' feud started when Bobby Heenan continuously taunted Haynes, telling him that Hercules was the real master of the full nelson; which came to a boiling point when Hercules attacked Haynes on an edition of Superstars of Wrestling, which led to their match at WrestleMania. This battle was advertised as the "Full Nelson Challenge."
Another heated feud leading up to this event was between Harley Race and the Junkyard Dog. When The WWF Wrestling Classic became the King of the Ring tournament, Harley Race went on to win the tournament and began referring to himself as "King" Harley Race, and coming to the ring in a royal crown and cape to the ceremonial accompaniment of the classical music piece "Great Gates of Kiev" by Modest Mussorgsky. After each of his victories, Race forced his defeated opponent to "bow and kneel" before him. Usually, Race's manager, Bobby Heenan, forced the defeated opponent to "bow and kneel" by grabbing his hair. Junkyard Dog protested Race's self-proclaimed monarchy in the WWF and stated there would never be a complete ruler in the WWF, which led to a match on Saturday Night's Main Event, in which the King and his manager both tried to make Junkyard Dog bow for them. This set the stage for the WrestleMania match, which included the stipulation that the loser had to bow to the winner.
On January 26, 1987, the British Bulldogs lost the WWF Tag Team Championship to The Hart Foundation in a match that saw the Dynamite Kid so debilitated that he was carried to the ring by Davey Boy Smith and did not see much physical action. Danny Davis was the referee and allowed The Hart Foundation to use illegal double-team maneuvers. After being given some time off to recuperate, the Bulldogs continued their rivalry with The Hart Foundation when they teamed up with Tito Santana against the Foundation and the referee-turned-wrestler Danny Davis in a six-man tag team match at WrestleMania III.
Rock singer Alice Cooper was in Jake "The Snake" Roberts' corner during his match with The Honky Tonk Man. The Honky Tonk Man had attacked Roberts with a guitar on Roberts' interview segment The Snake Pit, which legitimately injured Roberts' neck. This event began Roberts' turn into a babyface as well as the feud between the wrestlers, which culminated in their WrestleMania match.
The feud between Adrian Adonis and Roddy Piper began when, following a leave of absence from the WWF, Piper returned to find his Piper's Pit segment replaced by The Flower Shop, a segment hosted by then-effeminate wrestler Adrian Adonis. Piper, who returned as a face, spent weeks crashing Adonis' show and trading insults, leading to a "showdown" between the two segments that ended with Piper being assaulted and humiliated by Adonis, Piper's former bodyguard "Cowboy" Bob Orton, and Don Muraco. The trio left Piper with his face covered in red lipstick, lying in the middle of the remnants of the destroyed Piper's Pit set. In response, Piper stormed the set of Adonis' show and destroyed it with a baseball bat. This led to their Hair vs. Hair match at WrestleMania III, which was billed as Piper's retirement match from wrestling before becoming a full-time actor.
Other matches: Can-Am Connection v Orton/Muraco Hillbilly Jim, Haiti Kid & Little Beaver v King Kong Bundy, Little Tokyo & Lord Littlebrook The Dream Team v The Rougeau Brothers Butch Reed v Koko B. Ware The Iron Sheik & Volkoff v The Killer Bees
19 LOW appearances by my count.
(quick count of LOW in first ten Wrestlemanias...corrections welcomed) WMI 12 WMII 17 WMIII 19 WMIV 18 WMV 16 WMVI 16 WMVII 11 WMVIII 8 WMIX 6 WMX 7
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 14:33:28 GMT -4
I've seen the build for WrestleMania III, I have both Superstars and Challenge sets from 1987. I was talking more around the entire card build. Hogan/Andre had great build, and so did Savage/Steamboat, but IMO none of the other big matches' builds were as entertaining as those two.
WM III to me is the ultimate case of "Good build, terrible payoff". WrestleMania 13 and 23 also seemed to be the case too. Kind of ironic, isn't it?
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Post by graymar on Jan 21, 2011 14:41:31 GMT -4
No doubt that the matches, including Hogan-Andre, did not match the hype with the sole exception of the Savage-Steamboat. I do think that the rest of the card was built well. Whether one likes or dislikes the build is a matter of individual taste and needs some historical context. For example, the build to the Hogan-Lister match was second only to the Hogan-Andre (at the time). Forget about Lister? Here's a hint...
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Post by graymar on Jan 21, 2011 14:49:59 GMT -4
Another issue affecting the build is the weekly viewing of the subject. Part of the excitement built for WMIII was that we did not see these matches on a weekly basis.
Today (and in the build for 26 which they did well by today's standards) is that we had already seen the matches multiple times (with the exception of Michaels-Taker).
At the time, hyping wrestling nationally was like hyping boxing. We were just coming off of the era of Ali. Hogan - Andre was hyped similar to Ali-Frazier. Ali found once or twice a year. Likewise, you only saw Hogan wrestle nationally a few times a year. Now, Cena is wrestling weekly (if not more) on a national stage.
But, the Hogan-Andre WM recieved more national attention from non-wrestling media than the last WM did by a far degree.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 15:26:25 GMT -4
Today (and in the build for 26 which they did well by today's standards) is that we had already seen the matches multiple times (with the exception of Michaels-Taker). Not entirely true. Cena/Batista had only had one real match before WM XXVI. Sheamus/HHH had never happened before, Edge/Jericho hadn't happened in years before last year. Vince/Bret hadn't happened before. Rey/Punk had only happened twice before WM XXVI.
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Post by graymar on Jan 22, 2011 18:12:01 GMT -4
I stand corrected.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Jan 22, 2011 19:40:04 GMT -4
The main issue is that eventhough the actual in ring matches may not have happened often (or ever), too many of them feel stale before we get them. It has nearly everything to do with the way wrestling is now-a-days, with the over-saturation of the top guys. HHH vs Sheamus may not have happened as an official match, but they are involved with each other every Monday leading up to WM. It is the way things are now compared to the days of Hogan vs. Andre. I mean, the Piper's Pit were Andre rips off Hogan's shirt was shown for months and everytime it was shown, it still drew emotions from the viewer. I remember seeing it when it "happened" {first time shown on TV} and the shock on our faces was beyond mere words.
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