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Post by Dustin on Feb 9, 2011 12:00:49 GMT -4
Do you write promos after you roll your match or before? Same with angles? What is your card process?
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Post by graymar on Feb 9, 2011 12:04:05 GMT -4
I have a general idea of what I want between the matches...but it can change depending on what happens during the matches.
I have also occasionally used Slymm's Backstage Scenario Chart as well.
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Post by wildfire on Feb 9, 2011 13:03:30 GMT -4
I usually write the card for posting purposes after I play it... while I often have general ideas of what I want to do in my head, they can change slightly or drastically based on the actual results.
I did try writing the promos and stuff first a couple times (when I was running SMW for the LWA, for instance) but I found that I didn't like the results as much, as I had to be too vague, or assume a result.. which led a couple times to having to re-write parts.
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Post by Dustin on Feb 9, 2011 14:21:09 GMT -4
I did the Apter Report in script (something I may only do for PPVs involving the main event guys), which I don't care to do all that often. Cards will always be in summary format, even promos. Sometimes I did a little pre-work (typing) before the card, but I like to do most of my writing after the card is done. I normally always roll Main Event matches first and end with the openers.
My current LWF format may stick or it may change. As long is I feel it doesn't wear me down or take away from the match. You see, I hate just saying "Jimmy Snuka defeated Harley Race via Superfly Leap" and leave it at that. Sometimes I really want to describe that awesome stuff like Snuka kicking out of the Piledriver, Snuka hitting the SFL three times before he was able to pin Race, etc., you know?
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Post by maddog1981 on Feb 10, 2011 0:36:15 GMT -4
I usually have the show daydreamed out during work and then roll the matches out. The match results can drastically alter what I've thought out though.
When I did that battle royal last week, in my head the scenario was going to be Rob Van Dam being the surprise entrant, winning it and then getting a rematch with Brazil after their good match at Clash of the Champions. The Destroyer won the battle royal instead and then he went and won the belt off of Brazil. So my plans were foiled but I just ran with what I got.
The funny thing is, when the dice screw me hard is usually when something turns out really good.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Feb 10, 2011 0:41:32 GMT -4
I pre-roll matches and then backwards build the card. If I need a match, then I will wrestle that match out. A lot of my feuds (or at least a chunk of it) come out of a good series of matches and then backwards building the feud up.
I used to book the card and then wrestle it and then adjust, but that just made more work in the long run.
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Post by Dustin on Feb 10, 2011 10:11:01 GMT -4
I pre-roll matches and then backwards build the card. If I need a match, then I will wrestle that match out. A lot of my feuds (or at least a chunk of it) come out of a good series of matches and then backwards building the feud up. I used to book the card and then wrestle it and then adjust, but that just made more work in the long run. That's a really good approach. I've thought about doing something similar.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Feb 10, 2011 10:15:55 GMT -4
I pre-roll matches and then backwards build the card. If I need a match, then I will wrestle that match out. A lot of my feuds (or at least a chunk of it) come out of a good series of matches and then backwards building the feud up. I used to book the card and then wrestle it and then adjust, but that just made more work in the long run. That's a really good approach. I've thought about doing something similar. I know this has been "frowned upon" in other places, but it actually makes this work better storywise.
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Post by kingwiththeax on Feb 10, 2011 10:42:39 GMT -4
I do it this way too. Basically have a basic idea of what ideally I want to happen, and then when the dice totally screw me like always, I adjust the storyline to fit the dice.
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Post by Dustin on Feb 10, 2011 10:55:00 GMT -4
I do it this way too. Basically have a basic idea of what ideally I want to happen, and then when the dice totally screw me like always, I adjust the storyline to fit the dice. Right now I'm the same way. However, I've thought about having a bunch of match write-ups typed up that I played that I can pick and choose from to create a card. I'd be interesting to see how this would come about. Obviously I'd have to do some follow up matches if I wanted to add storyline. But, Jason's "series idea" can really fix that problem.
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Post by Chad Olson on Feb 10, 2011 11:07:01 GMT -4
I pre-roll matches and then backwards build the card. If I need a match, then I will wrestle that match out. A lot of my feuds (or at least a chunk of it) come out of a good series of matches and then backwards building the feud up. I'm not disagreeing with what you're doing, but could you please explain what you mean by "pre-rolling" the matches? And I don't understand this statement: "If I need a match, then I will wrestle that match out." Thanks for the explanation, sorry for being dumb!
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Post by todd on Feb 10, 2011 11:34:14 GMT -4
I think what Jason is saying is that he builds the card according to the results as he's rolling the dice
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Feb 10, 2011 23:04:55 GMT -4
I will roll some matches (or use the PBP on online) and write those results down. Lets use Rude and Bundy for this example. I will roll one match between them and it went well. So I will roll a second and maybe a third. Then I think who else could I use with these two guys, so lets say its Race and Nigel, then roll a tag team match of two. Then I use those results to figure out the blow-off and work my way backwards using those matches to build the feud and then use non-card stuff (interview, backstage brawl, etc..) to further the feud.
Danielson vs. Aries and Mr. America vs. The Destroyer in my CCW fed are perfect examples of this. I wrestled those matches over Winter Break and then fit them in to make sense. Aries ripping off Danielson's mask was designed to bring up the heat in the feud. That is also why I tied Aries to the New East-West Connection (James, Ryder, & Bayless) and make Danielson Savage-T's partner. So I used the hottest feud in CCW (NEWC vs. Savage) and helped it with some big name power, while building the story between Danielson and Aries.
In my LOW/LOTF fed, I have actually rolled out a ton of matches and have to work them into shows. This leads to when I have to "wrestle a match out". When a show needs something I don't have results for, then I figure what that match is and play that one. This may lead to me doing a quick series for those two men/teams for future use.
This is basically the way old school bookers talk about building up to a major event, working backwards. (I love the Guest Booker series for this kind of stuff) If I know what the goal is, then I can figure out how to get there without insulting the fans.
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