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Post by maddog1981 on Apr 12, 2011 19:09:42 GMT -4
Yeah. I'm happy that I can have a BDK stable now. I'm still hoping to see Hallowicked, the Throwbacks, Los Ice Creams and Ares get cards for this set.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Apr 12, 2011 19:42:52 GMT -4
Hallowicked would be a really nice addition to the set.
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Post by wildfire on Apr 12, 2011 20:59:52 GMT -4
I feel like parity is very difficult to book, I'd rather there be someone defined stars, mid-carders, etc. The most fun in many cases is when I guy under or over performs.... if everyone has a 3 or 4 pin and a 1 or 2 finisher.. they're all gonna win about 1/2 the time, and it's just not that entertaining, IMO.
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Post by maddog1981 on Apr 12, 2011 21:05:05 GMT -4
You get that in LOTF. There is parity but you'll see a hierarchy develop over time. And you get overachievers to. One of the coolest moments in my LOTF was Ultramantis Black coming out and challenging Harker Dirge after he won the belt and then scoring the pinfall and winning the belt.
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Post by tyguy on Apr 12, 2011 21:23:23 GMT -4
I saw they were calling it LOTF: Chikara on the O board so my guess it will be in line with the current LOTF cards. Which is a good thing in my book. Hopefully, but that doesn't mean for sure it will be. Just using the LOTF line name. I want them compatible with all the cards, not a stand alone set. We'll have to wait and see. 24 cards is plenty, I'm not after an update or a 2nd set next year. Todd said Donst has a card and a SE card with different stats and art for a different era. He's a four-year pro and has different eras? If they say so.
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Post by maddog1981 on Apr 12, 2011 21:28:22 GMT -4
He has his normal version and his BDK version. The BDK version should be a stronger singles card while the regular Donst will be a more tag themed weaker card.
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Post by tyguy on Apr 12, 2011 22:35:00 GMT -4
To me that is just not worth it. One of him in the set and a SE? Why not a different SE card? I didn't like the other alternate versions of LOTF guys done in the promoter either. I just didn't see the need.
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Post by antimony on Apr 13, 2011 9:30:20 GMT -4
Straight up: I'll buy it if the cards mesh effortlessly with the regular LotF sets. If they are jacked up in some way and would require me to tinker with them to make them fit in, then I'll pass.
Also: consider me a fan of parity on the LotF side, with more distinct tiering for the standard legends game. My guess is that the Chikara set will be more tiered than a regular LotF set, so that you get someone like Mike Quackenbush on the high side, and maybe... Actually, I don't know nearly enough about Chikara to say who else would be a main eventer and who would be a lower card talent.
Though that brings me back to the ol' "lower card legend" argument about the regular game, and who needs that sort of trouble on an Internet message board?
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Post by executioner on Apr 13, 2011 11:30:08 GMT -4
For me it boils down to price and roster. I am not sure I want to buy a set that only has a few names not already into LOTF. But I will wait til we know more on both factors before deciding.
As far as the parity v. heirarchy discussion (which I am enjoying), for me the dice make the discussion largely moot. I have times where a card gets "hot" and they shoot up to the top of the fed (i.e. Johnny Valentine) and other times where a card goes "cold" no matter what their Rahl rating in (i.e. Buddy Rogers). While I am not a big indy afficienado, my dice have decided at times that Quackenbush, Cladio and the Briscoes are top guys. But then it has surprised me with pushing Drake Younger and F.I.S.T. to top spots. Just follow the dice.
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Post by maddog1981 on Apr 13, 2011 12:30:11 GMT -4
See. I set out in 2008 with the idea that Quackenbush was my top face. Through performance he's been my top face for 33 months now. Sure, he's lost to Savage-T but that happens with LOW too. Guys are more vulnerable in LOTF but if you play long enough, you'll see a natural hierarchy develop within your fed. The lines will be a little more blurred but it will be there.
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Post by maddog1981 on Apr 13, 2011 12:39:50 GMT -4
It comes down to if it meshes with LOTF. I think it would be ridiculous if it didn't because that would be like taunting us with names we couldn't have. And some guys like Tursas could never be justified in a regular set. I just want this to mesh because I would love to get these guys in my fed.
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Post by behindthebook on Apr 13, 2011 12:51:01 GMT -4
If it was going mesh, if it was going to be fully compatible, wouldn't they have said something by now? The silence on the subject speaks volumes to me....
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Post by maddog1981 on Apr 13, 2011 12:53:51 GMT -4
I would think the opposite is true. I think the truth is, the stats haven't even been touched yet and they haven't worked that out with Mike yet.
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Post by toasterboy on Apr 13, 2011 12:55:50 GMT -4
If it was going mesh, if it was going to be fully compatible, wouldn't they have said something by now? The silence on the subject speaks volumes to me.... Not necessarily. The stats could not even be done yet or they may just have not made that decision yet. They can't comment on what they don't know. Much like the price point. It just may not have been decided upon yet. And if it were me I'd hate to put a statement out early about something (stats, price) if I wasn't 100% sure what it was going to be and then have to go back on that statement. They have over 2 months till the launch date. A lot can change.
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Post by tyguy on Apr 13, 2011 16:37:20 GMT -4
I think knap knows already how they want the stats to end up being so he can be working on them. Can't waste time if he makes them stronger than they say no or vice versa. That, the price, whether it's all known or not, FG never says anything until just before if then. Wonder how the decision to release in late June at a Chikara show went over with the guys doing the stats, the art, and the handbook. Moves the deadline up just a little bit.
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