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Post by Dustin on May 1, 2011 22:50:44 GMT -4
Amen.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 22:54:21 GMT -4
Hoping it's legit this time.
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Post by Havoc on May 1, 2011 22:54:48 GMT -4
And it only took 9 and a half years.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 23:27:47 GMT -4
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Post by todd on May 2, 2011 0:01:11 GMT -4
I hope they put his body on public display in new york so everyone can have a chance to piss on it
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Post by MT on May 2, 2011 7:52:35 GMT -4
Sure. They brought out the "boogeyman" for one last mission. A lot of people in the intelligence community had been pretty convinced this guy died of kidney failure years ago. Curiously, it's been reported that "in accordance with islamic practice" his body has already been buried at sea. So, you know, there goes your hope for any confirmation on this fairy tale. Nice PR move for Obama, though. www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/bin_ladens_body_c2fb2ffb-5240-40c6-b106-956bf2ebff6a.html
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Post by wildfire on May 2, 2011 10:14:12 GMT -4
I'd often thought that he died a long time ago.. we have bomb the bejezzus out of the area for years. I have mixed feelings. I'm happy this particular 'boogeyman' is done with, so we can move on. OTOH, if we really did get him last night, and not years ago, what does that say about or military and intelligence resources, that it took 9 1/2 years to find one crazy due with a kidney problem? I think I agree with alot of the comments in that article Mark sited... give the body to New Yorkers.. it'd be barbaric, but damn cathartic
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Post by lwffantrav on May 2, 2011 10:57:52 GMT -4
Sure. They brought out the "boogeyman" for one last mission. A lot of people in the intelligence community had been pretty convinced this guy died of kidney failure years ago. Curiously, it's been reported that "in accordance with islamic practice" his body has already been buried at sea. So, you know, there goes your hope for any confirmation on this fairy tale. Nice PR move for Obama, though. www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/bin_ladens_body_c2fb2ffb-5240-40c6-b106-956bf2ebff6a.html Hmmm, I'm tending to agree with this. We buried him at sea, but rest assure we have his "DNA" to prove it. They know places he's been, so who is to say they didn't pick up his "DNA" elsewhere Saddam Hussein, along with his sons, were known to have doubles of themselves. Are we to say it wasn't a double? I surely wouldn't blame our troops and a quick burial at sea would limit the number of eyes that would see the body. Plus, Saddam Hussein's sons bodies were made sure to be seen This may anger some, but I'm calling complete bullshit on this
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Post by todd on May 2, 2011 11:35:10 GMT -4
I'd often thought that he died a long time ago.. we have bomb the bejezzus out of the area for years. I have mixed feelings. I'm happy this particular 'boogeyman' is done with, so we can move on. OTOH, if we really did get him last night, and not years ago, what does that say about or military and intelligence resources, that it took 9 1/2 years to find one crazy due with a kidney problem? I think I agree with alot of the comments in that article Mark sited... give the body to New Yorkers.. it'd be barbaric, but damn cathartic Two of the biggest problems in finding him were the terrain and all the help and protection he got from the locals. Some people were afraid of him and some others thought he was a hero. The search for Bin Laden reminds me an awful lot of the search for Pancho Villa.
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Post by MT on May 2, 2011 12:08:10 GMT -4
Yes Todd, the only problem is they claim the guy had been found "hiding" in a mansion in the middle of a Pakistani city where he'd been for years. Everything from the timing to the convenient fact that there will be no hard physical evidence (ie: a body) just makes the whole thing suspect (at best). They blew away their years-long claims of "hiding out in a cave in the mountains" story in one fell swoop last night.
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Post by lwffantrav on May 2, 2011 12:28:47 GMT -4
Yes Todd, the only problem is they claim the guy had been found "hiding" in a mansion in the middle of a Pakistani city where he'd been for years. Everything from the timing to the convenient fact that there will be no hard physical evidence (ie: a body) just makes the whole thing suspect (at best). They blew away their years-long claims of "hiding out in a cave in the mountains" story in one fell swoop last night. Terrible poll numbers + high gas prices + high unemployment + everything else + I killed him = hey don't pay attention to what's going on, I'm a hero (trust us though, we have "DNA", but buried the body at sea) And many knew at the reward the US was offering. Like everyone in that village where he was was scared? Someone would have ratted him out years ago if he was hiding out in public Complete bull...trying to play the ol we killed him card
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Post by ljacone on May 2, 2011 12:52:13 GMT -4
I half agree with you, Double A.
I have little doubt that the Joint Special Ops Command did in fact take down Osama Bin Laden, and it went down as described. From what I have read and heard this morning from various sources, the burial at sea was a tactical decision by JSOC so that neither the Bin Laden family nor the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia could request the body back and give him a hero's state funeral.
By the same token I agree that Obama is trying his best to hijack and take credit for this mission (if you listen to his speech, count the number of times he says "I" "me" or "my") and use it as a distraction from his failed administration. Much like the Left accused Bush 43 of doing the same thing after the capture of Hussein; the difference being that the country was not in the middle of an undying recession and skyrocketing debt leading to the largest growth in consumer prices since the 30s, so the accusation died on the vine. Here, in this case, with the media cheerleading the story, Obama will receive general credit for this operation despite having ultimately very little to do with it beyond simply continuing the military efforts in the Middle East enacted by his predecessor.
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Post by todd on May 2, 2011 12:55:34 GMT -4
Yes Todd, the only problem is they claim the guy had been found "hiding" in a mansion in the middle of a Pakistani city where he'd been for years. Everything from the timing to the convenient fact that there will be no hard physical evidence (ie: a body) just makes the whole thing suspect (at best). They blew away their years-long claims of "hiding out in a cave in the mountains" story in one fell swoop last night. The building was built a few years ago so he must have been hiding someplace else for the majority of the last ten years. Hiding out in the mountains inside a cave would be a safe bet on his previous location. If Obama wanted to pull something like your saying he would have been better off waiting until closer to election time IMO. @double A yes i can believe that anyone in the area who knew of his location was afraid to come forward. It's not everyday you have a leader of a terrorist network as a neighbor
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Post by MT on May 2, 2011 13:20:57 GMT -4
The house had been occupied by these inhabitants since 2005. Also, it wasn't like it was in some little village; it was in the same area where all of the higher ups in military and government live.
This is about morale and diversion right NOW, not next year. This is about distracting from failing economy, president with approval ratings at all time lows, gas over $4 a gallon, etc. None of that has changed, but now we've got something else to distract the people.
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Post by lwffantrav on May 2, 2011 13:23:03 GMT -4
I was just flipping thru so didn't catch who said it, but someone claimed the reason of the burial at sea was because other countries didn't want to claim him.
You mean the US contacted all these countries were contacted about taking him yet no news was leaked of the death before obama's news conference?
Many things don't add up
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