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Post by tyguy on Jul 14, 2011 16:11:45 GMT -4
These were posted by Rahl on the other board. Castagnoli is the highest rated card at 47/49. That means only Mascaras, Rikidozan, Lou Thesz and Andre the Giant have a higher rating. To me, maybe it's only the couple highest rated cards in the set like this, but that doesn't look like compatibility with the rest of the game to me.
I will add I've never cared a thing about Rahl ratings. I look at the card back and can tell that way how good or bad a card is strength wise.
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Post by wildfire on Jul 14, 2011 16:19:10 GMT -4
Wow, that's not only very high for him, but he's a huge leap ahead of everyone else.
I don't have the cards yet, but if that's really true, I wonder why he's so much better than everyone else.
I would say looking at those numbers that the cards are more rated for their place in Chikara than in history, but I don't think that's a bad thing.
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Post by tyguy on Jul 14, 2011 16:23:47 GMT -4
No it's not a bad thing for a chikara only set. I'll make up my mind whenever I get the set and look at all the stats. If it's a chikara only, stand alone, set, the stats are obviously different then if they were done in a LOTF release. Maybe they're still close enough to how the Throwbacks would have been for a different set. Perhaps Claudio is rated so high because he's going to win the 12 Large Summit?
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Post by lwffantrav on Jul 14, 2011 17:13:06 GMT -4
Eh, 99% I wasn't going to get anyways, but that probably sealed it. Unfortunately, I think the LOTF guys are too weak while these are probably too strong to be compatible for a Legends set
I don't think a Claudio should be jerking the curtain, but not main eventing either.
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Post by maddog1981 on Jul 14, 2011 19:02:20 GMT -4
If you stuck to the original versions of the guys already in the game, you'd probably be fine using everyone else in the set with LOTF.
Anyways:
Claudio Castagnoli 47(49) Mike Quackenbush 32(39) Delirious 31(34) Tim Donst 30(34) Eddie Kingston 29(29) Frightmare 27(34) Brodie Lee 27(31) Ultramantis Black 27(28) Tursas 25(29) Fire Ant 24(30){36} Jigsaw 24(30) Icarus 23(30) Soldier Ant 21(35) Chuck Taylor 21(25) Sara Del Ray 21(24) Daizee Haze 20(24) Sugar Dunkerton 18(30) Hallowicked 18(28) Dasher Hatfield 14(27) Green Ant 13(20){31} Tim Donst LE 13(17) Pinkie Sanchez 13(16) Ares 11(24){36} Johnny Gargano 10(23)[25] Archibald Peck 3(4)
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Post by executioner on Jul 14, 2011 19:55:04 GMT -4
While I find Claudio's rating to be shockingly high, it is fine for a stand alone set. On the Rahl ratings in general, I think some folks read WAY to much in them. They are a rating only--ultimately the dice decide. To come to any other result would be absurd.
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Post by MT on Jul 16, 2011 20:58:20 GMT -4
These ratings don't really seem to match what I'm looking at in card form here. Claudio has the moves positioned on the card in such a way that it's not as big an upgrade from his Promoter card as the rating would indicate. Most of the wrestlers with both LOTF and CHIKARA cards don't seem to have been upgraded too tremendously.
About the Claudio card: I compare it to the Promoter card because Claudio actually got a gradual upgrade. His online promoter card upgraded the original LOTF release, and the CHIKARA card is an upgrade on the Promoter one. The defense is really pretty similar except for that "Swiss Death" defensive comeback mechanic (which only has a 1 in 6 chance of working). The offense is a pretty nice upgrade, but he's got two choice moves on level 2 offense which could really be a difference maker. One of them is choice D, meaning he's going to toss around the smaller, less powerful CHIKARA guys but if you used him in a different setting against guys his own size/power or bigger he's going to even out a lot.
At any rate, I am going to have to play out some matches with them versus the LOTF cards to tell for sure but at this point it looks like they are pretty much compatible.
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Post by maddog1981 on Jul 16, 2011 21:01:15 GMT -4
Vegas did some last weekend and he said the Chikara guys were about 50/50 with LOTF guys in a trios tournament.
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Post by executioner on Jul 18, 2011 16:27:41 GMT -4
I rolled 4 Chikara cards this weekend. My experiences were essentially the same as any COTG/LOW/LOTF match--I found some matches to be very brief and others longer, even some upsets to shake things up (i.e. Brody Lee beating Mike Quackenbush). I will amend my views on the Rahl Ratings as well (which I don't get too excited about) while the offenses for many have upgraded significantly over their LOTF counterparts (Quack, Claudio, Jigsaw, Kingston, to name just a few) they have weaknesses on L2D which balances them out. I plan to roll the LOTF version against the Chikara counterpart to see how stark the difference is, if any.
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