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Post by guest2 on Aug 24, 2011 15:46:31 GMT -4
Ive heard alot of talk about these guys not "being good enough to be in a set". Isn't that kind of derogatory? If you were a wrestler, and heard that, would you be willing to sign? I think the official line should be "bonus cards" for loyal promoters. One mans Buddy Rogers could be another mans Ken Doane. Two guys I'd love to see would be Phil Hickerson or Randy Rose to team with Dennis Condrey. Many may not think much of them, but many may not think much of a Amish Roadkill. All just opinion. Plus, say you were a fellow wrestler of Ken Doane or Lash. They said they were part of this game and the wrestler checked out the board and saw the "not good enough for a set". Would you be encouraged to sign? Any talk of these new guys not "being good enough to be in the set" comes from game fans, it's never an "official line." Are you, and those who agree 100% suggesting that game fans NOT express their honest opinions? or that the mods on the FG boards delete those comments so potential future LOW signees aren't offended? I thought this board was all proud of being against censoring the true feeling of FG fans..? You should also note that the official line is that some of these new characters would "likely not make the paper game editions." BIG difference than saying they're not "good enough." Game fans say that. And you all on the LP, better than anyone, should know that they have the RIGHT to say that.
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Post by lwffantrav on Aug 24, 2011 16:24:17 GMT -4
Don't get your panties in a wad. No one is accusing Tom of anything.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 24, 2011 16:33:45 GMT -4
Fine. But what about the other points/questions I had?
Since you ignored them in my original post, here they are again.
Please address, thanks--
Are you, and those who agree 100% suggesting that game fans NOT express their honest opinions? or that the mods on the FG boards delete those comments so potential future LOW signees aren't offended?
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Post by lwffantrav on Aug 24, 2011 17:14:02 GMT -4
Eh, I really don't feel like typing a conversation to you, don't know why I am now.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 24, 2011 18:24:36 GMT -4
FATALITY
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Post by Boomslang on Aug 24, 2011 19:13:38 GMT -4
We would never suggest that someone might want to think twice about offending a potential or future signee by, say, creating a character based on him and calling him Brown Starfish.
That would just be sophomoric and petty.
More generally, just because someone CAN say something doesn't mean he or she SHOULD, and I think that was the issue being raised here. Maybe, if someone doesn't want to turn off a potential signing, they should think twice before posting something on the official forum.
Think twice before posting something on the Internet? I know. Shocking, right?
And aside from the fact that the two sentences use different words, there is not that much difference between "would make it into a print set" and "not good enough for a print set." People can read between the lines. People are smart. Even pro wrestlers. Even pro wrestlers who weren't, at the time, signed to the WWE.
I know that probably shocks you too, so I'll leave it at that.
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Post by wildfire on Aug 25, 2011 21:56:27 GMT -4
I'd more than happy to let people say whatever they heck they want here... that's why this board exists. I'm not running a business... Tom is.
If I was a mod on the official board, I actually WOULD delete those posts... they have the possibility of discouraging others to sign with FG... less signees = less money.
THIS board is all about freedom to say what you want. THAT board is (or should be) about supporting the product and helping Filsinger Games make as much money as possible.
They do so with other topics.. the won't let me post any sort of link or mention of this board because I'm not willing to ban discussion of Desktop.. that's a censorship for a financial consideration... this would be the same.
As far as the issue at hand:
I agree wrestlers are not stupid... even simply putting them in an online only set instead of the print release implies they are 'not as good' as others. I'm sure Lash LeRoux and Ken Doane are aware their place in history is not as great as Harley Race or the Road Warriors.
OTOH, it's one thing to see evidence and make assumptions, it's another to see people post 'this guys sucks, I don't want him.' The lower card guy you turn off to the game may be the one you really want.
Then again, I seriously doubt any of these guys would ever go to the board, so it's likely a moot point.
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Post by tyguy on Aug 25, 2011 22:04:54 GMT -4
I'm waiting for when I tell someone I signed they are getting a card, but it's a pdf file. How many will ask why not a printed one? I don't know. Some. None. Could go either way. I'll see some of these people Saturday at Wrestlefest and Nov. at WSU.
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Post by MT on Aug 26, 2011 2:19:51 GMT -4
You know what would probably curb a lot of this type of stuff? Just letting Tom Filsinger secure the rights to use the wrestlers' names and likenesses on his own. I just imagine people flooding Filsinger Games with contracts for, like, Gary The Barn Owl and Spike Huber and him going "okay, now what the fuck am I supposed to do with this?"
Don't get me wrong, I know there are several competent, well-meaning people out there doing this, but it only takes one doofus claiming they're representing Filsinger Games so they can get some kind of "in" with the wrestlers to screw up the company's reputation and do way more harm than good. And how many unknown indy wrestlers and regional "legends" do you think Tom Filsinger gets dumped in his lap every year? If it were my company, I'd just politely ask the fans to step back and do my own leg work.
Very seriously though, I've never delved into just how this "signing" thing works. Does Filsinger arm people with copies of his standard contract upon request, then let them go out and put it in front of any wrestler who'll listen? Does he have a list of "gets" he wants? Or do fans act as a middle man to put him in contact with that wrestler so he can talk and sign them if he wants?
If people are just doing this on their own and "signing" any wrestler who'll agree to talk to them then they can't get TOO upset with Filsinger when he doesn't include that wrestler in a card set since he never explicitly expressed an interest in, nor did he ask someone to go contact, that wrestler in the first place.
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Post by wildfire on Aug 26, 2011 9:29:11 GMT -4
That's a good point. On the one hand, I think without guys like Ty, Todd, Vegas and the rest, we'd have no more legends sets... I don't think Tom does much of anything on that front anymore.
On the other, if Tom did it himself, it wouldn't be an issue, because he'd be choosing who he approaches.
I guess this issue is the trade off.
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Post by tax on Aug 28, 2011 8:42:45 GMT -4
It seems fairly evident that if it was on Tom again, we'd probably get a legends set every 2 or 3 years. It's just too much for one person to do.
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Post by maddog1981 on Aug 28, 2011 9:32:48 GMT -4
If it had been left to Tom, International would've been the last set we saw. Remember, there was like a two year gap between it and the next set.
My honest opinion is that Ty, Vegas, Todd, etc. saved Legends from fading into the sunset.
But the PDF thing is easy enough to spin to not piss off the wrestlers. All you have to say is "we're going to release these PDFs to have a constant output of wrestlers." There, easy enough to explain.
Now the fans on the other hand, they need to shut up a little bit. There are plenty of guys I don't really care for that have gotten releases. You know what I do, I keep my fucking mouth shut is what I do. Just because I don't like that wrestler doesn't mean that A) he doesn't deserve to be in the game and B) that someone else isn't super excited about that guy getting released.
I really don't understand this bitchfest that has started over some of these names. Sure, Ken Doane might have had a brief stint in the WWE and not been a huge deal. He's no more obscure than the Love Brothers, William Muldoon or a number of other guys in the game already. Be happy we're getting anyone for god's sake.
And especially with these PDFs. People knew, they fucking knew they weren't going to get top flight guys out of it. And frankly, I think getting Kurrgan, Lash Leroux and Ken Doane is actually a really good set so far. We've all seen those guys wrestle to some extent and Kurrgan and Leroux had some moments of being over during the Monday Night Wars era.
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Post by maddog1981 on Aug 28, 2011 9:35:29 GMT -4
I'm waiting for when I tell someone I signed they are getting a card, but it's a pdf file. How many will ask why not a printed one? I don't know. Some. None. Could go either way. I'll see some of these people Saturday at Wrestlefest and Nov. at WSU. Again, just tell them that the demand for new wrestlers has become really high from the fans and that Filsinger is experimenting with PDFs so they can give the fans a constant stream of new wrestlers without losing their shirt at the printing press every few months.
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Post by tyguy on Aug 28, 2011 10:47:23 GMT -4
Yeah I had already thought of that and how to let them know the card will be a pdf. I might have someone ask why not a printed card and your answers are good. I don't think the majority will be put off by a pdf file and still be happy to see the art and have the card.
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Post by MT on Aug 28, 2011 11:42:05 GMT -4
So some people figure they need to run around the country and, acting as fans, do the legwork for someone else's company so they have product to buy from him? I think the period around the time Legends International was released was a unique situation and I don't think it would be the death of the brand if Tom Filsinger were left to do the talent acquisition for his own product. That seems to be fear-based thinking. Either way, I wouldn't do it; if he never released another LOW card after International I'd just be happy making bootleg cards on my own and sharing them with whoever wanted them, in addition to culling the best of what other people have done and using them with my own stuff. It'd be cheaper, too! Again, completely unaware of the "who signed whom" game, which of the big stars have fans "signed" as opposed to which ones Tom Filsinger went out and acquired on his own? Who got Rob Van Dam, Andre The Giant, Lou Thesz, etc? Was it Tom or a fan? I honestly don't pay much attention to this stuff, but I'm curious to know which "headliner" type guys the fans have gotten for Filsinger Games. PS: I could not agree more with most of Maddog's post earlier in the thread, especially this part: Hey, I like Lash and I was a little disappointed the WWF didn't pick him up when they bought out WCW. Ken Doane is 25 years old and has a lot of wrestling left in him. And the list goes on. So people need to relax and understand that not everyone is going to be up their alley, but that doesn't mean everyone must automatically share their opinion and be subjected to their miserable constant complaining.
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