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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 2:23:12 GMT -4
Can't stop, won't stop dammit. Finishers seem underpowered but everyone kicks out of that shit, also it may lend to him having longer matches which is either a good or bad thing depending on your outlook. JOHN CENA | Height: 6'1"; Weight: 245lbs.; West Newbury, MA | Level 1 Offense | Level 1 Defense | 1. overhand right - 1 2. body punches - 1 3. gut kick - 2 4. sitout hip toss - 2 (ag) 5. fisherman suplex - 2 (pw) 6. shoulder block - 3 | 1. dazed - 1 2. JOHN CENA - 1 3. dazed - 1 4. JOHN CENA - 2 5. JOHN CENA - 1 6. dazed - 1 | Level 2 Offense | Level 2 Defense | 1. dropkick - 2 2. belly to belly suplex - 2 3. into the turnbuckle 4. clothesline - 2 (ch A) 5. whip to corner/bulldog - 3 6. throwback - 3 | 1. hurt - 2 2. JOHN CENA - 2 3. hurt - 2 4. hurt - 2 5. JOHN CENA - 1 6. hurt - 2 | Level 3 Offense | Level 3 Defense | 1. guillotine leg drop - 3 (ch G) 2. out of the ring (c) 3. spinout powerbomb - 3 4. five knuckle shuffle - 3 5. ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT (0) 6. STF (+1) | 1. hurt - 2 2. hurt - 2 3. PIN 5 (2) 4. down - 3 (lv) 5. hurt - 2 6. down - 3 | Ropes -- A Turnbuckle -- B Ring -- B Deathjump -- B Disqualification -- 4 | Agility 0 Power -3 Cage 2 |
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Post by Steelersfan629 on Nov 13, 2011 9:12:10 GMT -4
I would agree with the Finishers.I might go +1 for the STF and +2 for the AA..other than that I think it is a very good card..I am currently using the Orton, Lesnar & Edge cards you made..So I appreciate them Switch..
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Post by lwffantrav on Nov 13, 2011 9:27:56 GMT -4
I don't have an issue with the finishers being "underpowered" since there are two finishers. If you just used the STF as an Add 1, I'd have the ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT an higher
Now this is just my opinion...while Cena is in real life "strong", does his character, in terms of Legends, on the level with guys like the strongest guys out there.
I know he's slammed big guys, but Harley Race, who was know as deceptively strong, slammed Andre and he's only a -2.
Just personally, while not a high flyer, he'll get off his feet. I'd went with something like -1 agility and -2 power.
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Post by MT on Nov 13, 2011 10:07:18 GMT -4
Cena is a legit powerhouse and he's portrayed as such: hoisting the Big Show with ease regularly, stacking guys on his shoulders for the AA, etc. I'd split the difference and make his pw -3. That puts him in the upper class of "strongmen" in the game, without entering the "giant strongman" category that most of the -4 pw guys fit into. I like the ag where it is.
Finishers: If it were me STF would be +1 and AA +2, like Steelersfan suggests. Cena's been around at the top for long enough now that even those of us who don't care for his style have to admit he'd need an upper echelon style card and the higher potency double finisher would be appropriate. Guys will still kick out of it, but it's strong enough to put a mid card guy down with just one.
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Post by wildfire on Nov 13, 2011 11:32:55 GMT -4
I think a guy that's slammed the Big Show gets -4 pw... I have no problem with that. That's Cena's thing, that he's freakishly strong.. it's been part of his character from the beginning.
I also like the finishers as they are... I agree with SF as to what he was going for.
If I was to change it, I'd make the STF an Add 1 and the FU a +3, perhaps, but I think what's there is better.
As far as card strength.. he's been the top guy in the WWE as long as guys like Flair and Race were at the top of their respective eras.... why WOULDN'T he be among the best all-time? Unless you're arguing NO ONE in this era is as good as those guys. If anyone is, Cena is it.
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Post by lwffantrav on Nov 13, 2011 12:12:22 GMT -4
I think a guy that's slammed the Big Show gets -4 pw... I have no problem with that. That's Cena's thing, that he's freakishly strong.. it's been part of his character from the beginning. What about guys who slammed Andre (billed bigger than Big Show)? There are several in Legends including: Harley Race (-2 power), also considered "freakishly strong" Butcher Vachon (-2 power) and Antonio Inoki (0 power) - Both shown in this video In terms of Legends, I don't think it's perceived the power is "how strong you always are". It's also part of your personna as well. While Cena is "strong", is he perceived as a power/monster guy like a Kowalski? or Jonathan? or Volkoff? I don't know...
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Post by todd on Nov 13, 2011 12:35:45 GMT -4
Dont know if any video exists of it but the Masked Superstar also bodyslammed Andre
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Post by lwffantrav on Nov 13, 2011 13:03:45 GMT -4
Dont know if any video exists of it but the Masked Superstar also bodyslammed Andre From Mid-Atlantic Gateway: M-A Gateway: Also soon after starting as the Superstar, around Thanksgiving of 1976, you went around the circuit with Andre The Giant. What was Andre like to work with? Superstar: I wrestled Andre right away. Andre and I got along real well. The first time we worked, Andre had been drinking a little bit…he was tipsy. I remember going in the ring and seeing this legitimate Giant and thinking, ‘What the hell am I doing in here with this guy...how am I going to do anything with this guy.’ (laughs) The first time Andre and I worked, it was one of those all day jobs. We did an afternoon shot in Winston-Salem, and the night shot was in Shelby. In Winston-Salem, he called a spot and I was going to take a slam. But he couldn’t get me up….not because he wasn’t strong enough. So, I put my hand on his hip and pushed myself up….and he went, ‘Thank you boss.’ (everybody laughs)
On the flip side, I was actually the first guy to slam Andre. One time he called a slam, and I said ‘What?’ (everybody laughs) He said, ‘Slam me.’ And let me tell you, even with him helping it was hard getting him up!M-A Gateway: It sounds like you and Andre had a great relationship. Superstar: We did. And later when we would do more tag matches, Andre really hated Igor, and he would let me do anything to him. Andre was a very good friend. He was my youngest daughter’s Godfather. Full interview can be found here www.midatlanticgateway.com/resourcecenter/interviews/superstar/superstar02.htmMasked Superstar (-2 power)
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Post by wildfire on Nov 13, 2011 13:30:34 GMT -4
I DO think Cena is supposed to be freakishly strong as billed... they've always presented him as such.
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Post by todd on Nov 13, 2011 14:08:25 GMT -4
Not in Legends but Spiros Arion also bodyslammed Andre
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Post by MT on Nov 13, 2011 14:26:16 GMT -4
I don't think "slammed Andre" is a proper benchmark or gauge of strength. Greg Gagne slammed Kokina Maximus (Yokozuna), but he wouldn't get -2 pw as a result. Here's my rationale: George Hackenschmidt is a -3 pw card and he held world record lifts that stood for decades. Road Warrior Hawk is a -3 pw guy and was known for his impressive strength and physique. The upper limit "non-monster" pw rating in the game for guys less than 300 pounds tends to be -3, with -4 reserved for the huge dudes and the monster/giant types. Comparing Cena to some of these old "red meat and beer" guys......I'm not a big Cena fan, but it's absurd.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 14:56:08 GMT -4
Changed it to -3.
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Post by Steelersfan629 on Nov 13, 2011 16:57:09 GMT -4
Only John Cena could spark this kind of debate...
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Post by Havoc on Nov 13, 2011 18:07:17 GMT -4
Let's go Cena .....
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