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Post by guest2 on Jan 13, 2012 11:34:05 GMT -4
you mean exactly what osk started doing years ago with ace dark tides? great "idea" mike! You mean the idea he did exactly once before the aCe went away? ace free agent pack? i guess its a new idea again all over again.funny how you never saw a four pack or five pack prior to dark tides.it now happens all the time."exactly once" my ass
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Post by guest3 on Jan 13, 2012 11:48:30 GMT -4
You mean the idea he did exactly once before the aCe went away? ace free agent pack? i guess its a new idea again all over again.funny how you never saw a four pack or five pack prior to dark tides.it now happens all the time."exactly once" my ass This is definitely not a "new idea"... the idea dates at least as far back as Hanuman osk got idea from Hanuman ?
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Post by Boomslang on Jan 13, 2012 12:11:20 GMT -4
I'm in favor of the more-frequent (key here is MORE frequent), smaller booster packs for Chikara, but not for regular CotG. When I was playing Champions, I never rushed into a new set all at once, ala the Deimos Perennial; I would stretch out the debuts and changes for as long as six months. Because there is no "current" storyline to follow on television or the web beyond those presented in the booklets (which not everyone follows anyway), there is already a mechanism for spacing out the changes. On the other hand, if you want Chikara to have a mainstream appeal outside of the totally fictional (with all due respect to Greg Valentine and Mike Fortune) GWF, and the anachronistic coalition of LOW, you need to ensure that you are keeping the playing roster current. That said, Mike, you lost me here: The Rudos pack was cool because it balanced the heel/face makeup of the fed since the BDK made up the bulk of the Rudos side (even though they weren't listed as Rudos). Based on what you are saying here, the set was Rudo-heavy because BDK was there. Or are yo saying that BDK split, and most of them either left or turned face? (Again, I don't follow the fed, so maybe I'm just missing something.)
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Post by maddog1981 on Jan 13, 2012 12:13:50 GMT -4
The BDK was more of a third force so to speak. They were uber mega heels. They were like the nWo where even the heels were against the nWo on some level. That's what the BDK are and before the rudos you had F.I.S.T. as the only real non-BDK rudos.
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Post by Mike M on Jan 13, 2012 12:39:29 GMT -4
That said, Mike, you lost me here: The Rudos pack was cool because it balanced the heel/face makeup of the fed since the BDK made up the bulk of the Rudos side (even though they weren't listed as Rudos). Based on what you are saying here, the set was Rudo-heavy because BDK was there. Or are yo saying that BDK split, and most of them either left or turned face? (Again, I don't follow the fed, so maybe I'm just missing something.) Sorry, I should have worded that differently. The BDK was an nWo-like or Third Force-like team that fought heroes and villains alike, although they had heel tendencies. The BDK broke apart at the end of 2011, which left very few true heels on the FG version of the roster if you were trying to keep up with current Chikara storylines. The Rudos pack balanced things out a bit.
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Post by maddog1981 on Jan 13, 2012 12:42:16 GMT -4
I think it needed balanced out even before the BDK fell apart.
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Post by Mike M on Jan 13, 2012 12:47:18 GMT -4
This is definitely not a "new idea"... the idea dates at least as far back as Hanuman osk got idea from Hanuman ? I'm not saying that. At one point, there was an idea (whose idea, I don't remember) that it would be a good idea to release a "mid-year" card for each of the COTG feds. Hanuman was the CPC's character, but I forget who the GWF and aCe characters were. IIRC, the cards weren't released on schedule, but the idea at the time was to update the feds outside the regular release schedule. I don't know who came up with it originally- it could have been Tom, Mark or Kris (or even someone else). The aCe Dark Tides was the first "mini" release that I recall with multiple cards. I remember thinking that it was a great concept at the time and I remember wishing that Kris had been able to continue that system for aCe. Again, I'm just curious for people's opinion on the "booster pack" or small scale release concept.
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Post by Mike M on Jan 13, 2012 12:48:32 GMT -4
I think it needed balanced out even before the BDK fell apart. I agree, but the BDK split made it more imperative to me.
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Post by guest3 on Jan 13, 2012 12:57:12 GMT -4
osk got idea from Hanuman ? I don't know who came up with it originally- it could have been Tom, Mark or Kris (or even someone else). I remember thinking that it was a great concept at the time and I remember wishing that Kris had been able to continue that system for aCe. so you can't remember who's idea it was but you can remember thinking it was great, even wishing to God that Kris had been able to continue it. Interesting.
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Post by tyguy on Jan 13, 2012 13:27:31 GMT -4
I wouldn't hold out for Chris Hero to be in a Chikara set of any sort. He's apparently not on good terms with Chikara at this point. The next new Chris Hero card you see from Filsinger Games will either be part of the Legends Of Wrestling or a ROH set, if there were ever to be such an edition. Also, I think it'd be appropriate for Gavin Loudspeaker to have a card, and then that may as well open up the door for a set of non-wrestler cards with Remsburg, maybe Leonard Chikarason, among others. As far as Chris Hero, I can see a Chikara card at some point. That wouldn't be up to Quack if he still has any kind of problem with him. He's like Danielson, was already signed and had cards done so FG can do another based on his Chikara time. If Hero and Quack still don't like each other or whatever it would be a good thing to tell Mike about maybe doing a Chikara Hero card so he could say he doesn't want to or anything like that. I'm also not wanting a Gavin or Remsburg or other out of the ring personality cards. Nothing again them and those type of people in wrestling, a second card of those two really isn't needed IMO. I have no inside information on the FG-Chikara dealings, but I see the Chikara game as Mike having the rights to most of the wrestler names in his company since he created them. So I think Mike then let the card game be made. I could be wrong and they got every guy in the locker room to sign a release, but that's how I see the agreement working. I don't believe once any person wrestles a match in Chikara then the game is good to make a card of them.
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Post by MT on Jan 13, 2012 19:12:03 GMT -4
As far as Chris Hero, I can see a Chikara card at some point. That wouldn't be up to Quack if he still has any kind of problem with him. He's like Danielson, was already signed and had cards done so FG can do another based on his Chikara time. If Hero and Quack still don't like each other or whatever it would be a good thing to tell Mike about maybe doing a Chikara Hero card so he could say he doesn't want to or anything like that. Yes, it would be a very good idea to make sure it was okay before putting a Chikara logo on card of a guy who has heat with the company. Potential deal breaker there, to be sure. We have no Gavin card; we've got Louden Noxious, with a card back that has no practical use because Dr. Cube is the only other Kaiju Big Battel card in the game and I see no one running KBB shows. It would take a very foolish person to think that once someone wrestled once for Chikara it was akin to signing a deal with Filsinger Games. A whole lot of the guys were already signed to Filsinger Games before the Chikara set got done, some were easily signed once the deal was struck, and a few of the classic Chikara gimmicks are probably owned by Quackenbush and could be used in "classics" sets when and if they go that route. But, regardless of that, there are a lot of Chikara guests stars who are, or could easily be, signed up for cards for future releases.
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Post by wildfire on Jan 13, 2012 20:48:08 GMT -4
I think smaller releases are great... it allows more choice and a more up-to-date roster. I think it would work really well for the fictional feds as well.. if it was done as Osk first suggested it... having 'real time' updates. Avarice turning face? put out an update, maybe with a couple new debuting guys, or maybe as an SE, with a bit of story. I think that's much more logical than having everything happen at once... I'm sure most of us didn't toss all the 2088 cards into the fed all at once, but rather worked them in as the story made sense. As to Chikara, I think there's another 5-pack that's could easily be made (maybe for G-con) with the regulars that don't have cards yet. By that time, it might be clear what the next one will be... you have Mr. Touchdown... doing a face SDR.. etc. Also, y'all should stop feeding the troll.. it just makes them get bigger
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Post by Boomslang on Jan 13, 2012 21:56:12 GMT -4
I think smaller releases are great... it allows more choice and a more up-to-date roster. I think it would work really well for the fictional feds as well.. I suppose it's not accurate to say I would oppose the idea in a fictional (GWF) fed. I think what I meant to say is that it could be done in the GWF, but isn't, strictly speaking, "necessary." However, I do think it's necessary in a self-contained universe like the Chikara sets where you want people to be able to play a game that represents the product they see on TV or DVD's. Also, y'all should stop feeding the troll.. it just makes them get bigger I wanted to cut off their heads, but dammit, they'd just grow back. [/D&D]
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Post by maddog1981 on Jan 13, 2012 23:21:15 GMT -4
Wildfire,
I know you mentioned getting the Chikara set for Christmas. What do you think about the actual set now that you have it? Had a chance to play it at all?
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Post by wildfire on Jan 13, 2012 23:40:24 GMT -4
I did (just the 1st set)... the cards and art are really nice. I played a card, and the dice didn't really co-operate, but I don't think it was the set's fault.
I think it'll work really well to mix them with some of the early GWF guys... I have some plans to do that, if I can get into it.
I'll probably play more once I finish Arkham Asylum (which has been taking the majority of my post-Christmas free time)
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