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Post by wildfire on Aug 12, 2012 23:59:42 GMT -4
So, I had Roderick Strong against Hallowicked in my WARTS tourney today... and it was very odd. Strong, known for tossing guys around with backbreakers and punishing submissions, is MORE agile, and less Powerful than Hallowicked?
That's just... odd.
Am I crazy?
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Post by weirdjerod on Aug 13, 2012 6:38:54 GMT -4
Yes... you are.
BUT... you are not wrong, lol, I thought that too. Honestly it seems like (and hopefully someone with better insight to the inner workings can add to this and correct me if I am mistaken) the LOTF guys were in some cases a bit under-powered to keep them from competing to high on the card on a regular basis. I admit I am pretty unfamiliar with Roddy before his more recent work in ROH, so maybe he has more recently "Steinered up" and was not as much of a power guy when the card was made?
Also, it is why (and not looking to rehash THIS issue, lol, this is strictly my personal feelings on it) I find it hard to mix the color and b/w sets. They are absolutely compatible from a game play stand-point, and I get that 100%. I just feel that the colored sets are meant to represent their persona's in the feds they are released in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 7:14:40 GMT -4
[quote author=weiBUT... you are not wrong, lol, I thought that too. Honestly it seems like (and hopefully someone with better insight to the inner workings can add to this and correct me if I am mistaken) the LOTF guys were in some cases a bit under-powered to keep them from competing to high on the card on a regular basis. I admit I am pretty unfamiliar with Roddy before his more recent work in ROH, so maybe he has more recently "Steinered up" and was not as much of a power guy when the card was made? [/quote]
Actually, Knapik's Roderick card kind of reflects when he was a bit bigger and doing a lot of backbreakers instead of the slimmed down Roderick we've had for the past couple of years.
I argued on here Roderick should have -1 or even -2 power because he's done multiple backbreakers to big guys (Joe and Morishima, 280 and 300 pounds respectively).
I'm not a fan of the LOTF sets at all. I hated how Chris Hero was done, hated how the Wolves were done, hated how Roderick was done. It was cool to get those guys, but I'm glad the color sets are coming along and these guys are getting the stats they deserve.
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Post by MT on Aug 13, 2012 8:39:09 GMT -4
Roderick, in comparison, to the Legends roster would never be a -2 pw guy. That's the same rating as Hacksaw Jim Duggan. You could make a case for "0" for him at his biggest/strongest, but that's about as high as it could legitimately go in my opinion.
I have heard some rumblings that there were a lot of things changed in committee on those LOTF cards; specifically things like pw, ag, finisher potency, and chart ratings. But I've never gotten that directly from parties involved and I don't want to start controversy, so consider that rumor. I rarely use them now and have replaced them with the color versions when possible, and just made my own new cards in other cases.
I think if you're a fan enough of the Chikara guys to want to use them mixed in with legends, then you'd want them to be competitive. I've not found any to dominate in "mixed competition" (color v. b/w, new v. old). As everything goes to color you'll notice more continuity. ROH, Chikara, CZW, and NWA Hollywood will all be on equal footing.
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Post by wildfire on Aug 13, 2012 13:29:11 GMT -4
That's probably true.. it's just a shame they're not really on the same 'scale'.
Personally, I'd have put Roddy at a -1 or -2.... having him the same power as Duggan, especially back 4 years ago when he was, as was said, back breaking guys like Joe and MOrishima, seems totally reasonable to me. Duggan's bigger, sure, but not necessarily stronger.. at least not from his WWF run.
We could likely argue that kinda thing till the cows come home, though.
I think the relative strengths of the cards is decent, just... odd.
I definitely agree with Mark that by the time all these color sets are done, most of the LoTF cards will be replaced with better versions... a fair amount already are, really (about 1/2 the Chikara set was in LoTF, after all). Hero's the one that's a real shame, we'll likely not get a more 'classic' version of him.. the one we did get was really representing before he was an indy star, IMO.
Despite the official company line, I think the color cards are, on the whole, stronger relative to the Legends guys. Claudio's Chikara card, for example, is a top tier card, on par with guys like Race and Bockwinkel. He's obviously not at the level historically. I think it makes sense to do it that way... I'd rather not have a bunch of 5 and 6 pin guys for the low card of these indy feds... but I find it a bit annoying they won't admit it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2012 19:50:30 GMT -4
Hero could easily get a card in a future ROH set, can't he?
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Post by maddog1981 on Aug 18, 2012 19:57:03 GMT -4
Depends on how long RoH is around...
I think the problem you're having is Roderick Strong is weighted against the LOW crowd while Hallowicked is weighted against the Chikara roster. In Chikara, Hallowicked's stats make sense. In a more general wrestling setting, he would be a 0 or +1 on power.
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Post by tyguy on Aug 18, 2012 20:43:56 GMT -4
As far as Hero, yeah he could get another card for ROH. Swarm said if sales are good down the road sometime he wants to do a Legends of ROH and do color cards of all the other ROH people that are already in the game.
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