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Post by maddog1981 on Nov 25, 2013 19:46:26 GMT -4
My problem with that is if you have a tag finisher, it should be devastating when hit.
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Post by Havoc on Nov 25, 2013 20:04:46 GMT -4
My problem with that is if you have a tag finisher, it should be devastating when hit. Why? Maybe the move sucks just like a 0 singles finisher.. It doesn't need to be devastating.
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Post by maddog1981 on Nov 25, 2013 20:13:01 GMT -4
Because, you don't set up your big tag team finisher in a match and have the opponent kick out.
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Post by Havoc on Nov 25, 2013 20:49:05 GMT -4
As opposed to the singles wrestler that sets up his finisher so the opponent can kick out.
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Post by maddog1981 on Nov 25, 2013 20:56:59 GMT -4
Different situations though. You have to clear the other guy out of the ring to hit your big tag team finisher. That makes a match much more contrived to get into that situation a second or third time. So therefore tag finishers should be more potent on average.
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Post by MT on Nov 25, 2013 21:02:17 GMT -4
Here's the thing with Chasing The Dragon (Fish's finisher that started the talk):I believe you can count on one finger the number of times someone has kicked out of the move (that's one for the mathematically impaired), reDRagon are the 2-time ROH tag team champions with only two losses on record this year, and I'm 99.99 percent sure it wasn't a (0) finisher on the original version of the stats but got changed somewhere in the editing process.
I made a new card and changed it to +2, so it doesn't bother me. That's kind of the thing with stats you don't agree with: they're very easy to change if you don't get too hung up on having to play with the cards as printed.
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Post by maddog1981 on Nov 25, 2013 21:07:20 GMT -4
My problem with it is you couple that with O'Reilly's 7 (4) pin rating and they'll be losing several matches they should have won. They're going to beat on someone and O'Reilly is going to get caught. I haven't really pushed them yet. 4-1 isn't bad but O'Reilly's PIN did cost them the PMW match. I don't see them winning my tag gold, they feel like a second tier team stat wise when they should be a low end first tier team.
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Post by maddog1981 on Nov 25, 2013 21:10:05 GMT -4
Even Pretty Peter Avalon and Ray Rosas have a +1 tag finisher and their stats are largely that of a non-threat opener team.
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Post by tax on Nov 25, 2013 21:49:53 GMT -4
Once I finally get the set I might tweak Fish and O'Reilly. Improve the tag finisher and lower O'R's pin to 6 (3)
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Post by maddog1981 on Nov 26, 2013 21:12:22 GMT -4
They got a pretty hard fought victory over the Young Bucks tonight. The Bucks don't do super well for me so I considered this a match they should win. Back and forth for awhile with O'Reilly and Fish tagging out of some bad situations.
reDRagon are now 5-1 and I'll probably be throwing them against the WGTT for the titles next month some time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2013 23:50:26 GMT -4
Here's the thing with Chasing The Dragon (Fish's finisher that started the talk):I believe you can count on one finger the number of times someone has kicked out of the move (that's one for the mathematically impaired), reDRagon are the 2-time ROH tag team champions with only two losses on record this year, and I'm 99.99 percent sure it wasn't a (0) finisher on the original version of the stats but got changed somewhere in the editing process. I had it at +1 I'm pretty sure. Maybe +2. I'd have to go and look.
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Post by maddog1981 on Nov 27, 2013 12:46:28 GMT -4
Well C&C won my belts in an upset of WGTT so reDRagon will probably face them for the belts in a few weeks.
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Post by maddog1981 on Dec 1, 2013 12:17:06 GMT -4
I've laid the groundwork for their title shot later in the month. I expect them to win the belts and then I will probably feed them back to the WGTT in a quick turn around and see what happens. I may throw them against C&C in a non-title match this week to kind of sell that feud.
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Post by maddog1981 on Dec 4, 2013 22:02:18 GMT -4
Caprice Coleman and Cedric Alexander beat them by DQ in a non-title match. They were dominating the match. Just a case of the dice loving C&C right now.
5-2.
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Post by maddog1981 on Dec 18, 2013 22:27:33 GMT -4
3.0 dominated them in a rematch. Flash Roll-Up pinned Fish to give 3.0 the victory.
reDRagon are struggling as of late and fall to 5-3.
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