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Post by lowtrav on Dec 19, 2013 23:27:02 GMT -4
Hacksaw Duggan's + 1 Flying Spear always bothered me. I count it as plus two and believe it or not it makes a big difference It's +2 on the online version (his pin is also 6(3)). I made a physical card using the online stats and it does work well. I did the same thing with Missing Link. The online Hacksaw was a welcome change no doubt
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 1:38:28 GMT -4
Still waiting on my cards to show. But on the subject of who to team Marty with, I was thinking of teaming him with Jim Powers or Jerry Lynn. Heck, even Super Crazy is an option.
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Post by Peter F on Dec 20, 2013 1:47:28 GMT -4
The gimmick is different, but Jannetty is still a Southern Boy. He and Tracey would be an awesome, awesome team.
I've been watching a lot of Prichard lately, between USWA-Texas, the USWA itself, and Smoky Mountain. I honestly don't have a big problem with his LOW finisher. Even when he hit the superkick or enzuigiri, 9 times out of 10 he wrapped a chain around his boot first. He wasn't exactly a pure babyface, either--very much a tough guy, quasi-antihero type. I'm sure it was different in Continental (I've only seen the infamous Dirty White Girl black eye angle), but I'm fine with him being carded as a Heavenly Body as that was his most prominent role.
Regarding the Mystery Guy...my bootleg of him had a FOREIGN OBJECT, too. (Actually it may have been an Add 1, but same principle). Foreign objects figured very prominently in a number of his major matches and wins--plus he was another antihero babyface type.
Okay, I see we're relaxing the spoilers somewhat so...he used an object to beat Ric Flair to win the U.S. title, retained the title in a famous TV match by knocking out Jack Brisco with a roll of coins, he taught a young toddler Pete what "brass knuckles" were when he used them to knock out Rocky Johnson in a televised arena bout, one of his babyface turns was cemented when he clobbered an unaware Don Muraco with another object at an Omni event, and there are probably others. That's enough for me to justify a placement on the card.
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Post by Chad Olson on Dec 20, 2013 6:35:53 GMT -4
RE: Tom Pritchard - Tim owns the entire run of SMW TV. He watched a lot of footage, and Pritchard had no consistent finisher. He did win a lot of matches with a foreign object, like the chain on the boot, white powder, a loaded kneepad off of the top rope, so that's what we decided to use. It was not meant to be a face Pritchard card for Continental or PNW. Maybe someday we can do an alternate card of him as a face.
RE: Holiday Madness Gift Card - Again, he was using a foreign object in his matches, either taking it away from the heel as a "good guy" or bringing it to the ring himself as a heel. Even as a face, I watched a match with him and Ric Flair where he pops Flair a few times with a chair. He also pulled out a loaded glove against Bad News Brown at Wrestlemania. Plus all of Pete's examples.
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Post by MT on Dec 20, 2013 6:49:45 GMT -4
RE: Tom Pritchard - Tim owns the entire run of SMW TV. He watched a lot of footage, and Pritchard had no consistent finisher. He did win a lot of matches with a foreign object, like the chain on the boot, white powder, a loaded kneepad off of the top rope, so that's what we decided to use. It was not meant to be a face Pritchard card for Continental or PNW. Maybe someday we can do an alternate card of him as a face. RE: Holiday Madness Gift Card - Again, he was using a foreign object in his matches, either taking it away from the heel as a "good guy" or bringing it to the ring himself as a heel. Even as a face, I watched a match with him and Ric Flair where he pops Flair a few times with a chair. He also pulled out a loaded glove against Bad News Brown at Wrestlemania. Plus all of Pete's examples. Quit trying to justify yourself Olson, it's undignified! In all seriousness, the move deserves a place on RP's card. It's just a stylistic choice between second finisher and "add 1". The second finisher placement surprised me, but not in a bad way. If you see my bootleg, full-on babyface '92 card you'll notice the oddly named move "Scottish Hammer": that's smacking a guy with a fist containing some object or another. You see, I'm weird about naming moves for my own amusement and never explaining them anywhere else ever. My babyface card and the official 80s heel version had that "bulldog-3 (ch)" in the same place too. I always feel good about my cards when the official ones match up in little ways like that.
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Post by Chad Olson on Dec 20, 2013 7:12:10 GMT -4
I kind of waffled between the finisher or an add 1 for that move. Decided to go with the finisher, because I thought his placement in history deserved it.
Cory and I also went back and forth between the bulldog there and an airplane spin. Some guys, we can barely fill a card with moves, others, it's a struggle to figure out what to leave off.
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Post by lowtrav on Dec 20, 2013 8:16:04 GMT -4
Thanks for coming on here after busting your alls balls. (I have my one gripe out of hundreds of cards ya know)
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Post by maddog1981 on Dec 20, 2013 8:33:37 GMT -4
The Brody card has never bothered me. He performs where he should.
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Post by Chad Olson on Dec 20, 2013 13:39:45 GMT -4
Thanks for coming on here after busting your alls balls. (I have my one gripe out of hundreds of cards ya know) I wanted to have a discussion about our rationale, and I appreciate that we can all do that! I love to hear feedback on the sets, both positive and negative, so as people bring in the new cards, please share what your observations.
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Post by wildfire on Dec 20, 2013 14:05:25 GMT -4
I haven't got the cards yet, but I definitely will comment when I do In general, I don't love 'foreign Object' on a card at all... makes it tough to make the guy a face (if you're inclined to do so), and I don't think there are too many wrestlers out there that used them consistently enough to consider them part of their arsenal.
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Post by tax on Dec 20, 2013 17:55:45 GMT -4
Oh there was a time where it was a guarantee. Sharpe's loaded armpad immediately comes to mind. Grappler (and other werstlers) with their loaded boots or masks. It's always interesting to see where they go with things.
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Post by Peter F on Dec 20, 2013 19:13:28 GMT -4
If FG ever obtains the rights to Mikel Scicluna, his whole card is just going to be 15 variations of "foreign object" plus the charts.
Since we're ball-busting, if it were up to me the mystery card would have both of those debated moves with the figure-four taken off. I don't recall him ever doing that hold, except--obviously--when wrestling Flair.
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Post by MT on Dec 20, 2013 20:03:01 GMT -4
Figure four was definitely in his arsenal. Like Chad wrote, he's a guy that they had to figure out what to include and what to omit, unlike some guys where it's tough to fill a card (like when I did a bootleg card for Hercules Hernandez). People remember Piper matches like a blur of action, so sometimes it's hard to remember when the holds were used. He also did change up and adjust his offense from the early 80s to the mid 80, and what he did in the late 80s to early 90s was different yet again.
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Post by maddog1981 on Dec 21, 2013 20:10:36 GMT -4
I used Tony Atlas a bit. He's 2-1 with wins over Greg Valentine and Missing Link and a loss to Magnum TA. His charts ratings are really killer and his defense is below average. Missing Link put an absolute beating on him and had 6 pin tokens and then missed a top rope move and Atlas hit the Press Slam and Splash to pick up the victory after a great match. I think he's going to be really hit and miss. If he really gets going on offense, he's going to put a ton of guys away but if he gets hurt or down, it's going to be a long night for him. He's the only one I've used thus far.
Next week it's Tommy Rich and Tony Atlas vs. Doug and Eddie Gilbert. So I expect 3-1 after that.
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Post by MT on Dec 21, 2013 20:21:42 GMT -4
I used Tony Atlas a bit [...]I think he's going to be really hit and miss. Much like the real life Tony Atlas, I suppose.
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