AJ Styles = Gone From TNA

[maddog1981]

Small correction, Sting did help the company when he signed in 2006. He popped some good buyrates for the company. They fucked that up by bringing back Russo in the fall.

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Russo fucked up Joe more than anything in 2006.

[maddog1981]

I have the first year of Spike TV on DVD. You know, it had it's flaws but they really had something going on as the year progressed. Remember how awesome this was:

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Actually, the greatness of that quickly goes away when you remember they hotshotted that match for no reason and killed Joe off.

[maddog1981]

That's what I mean. That confrontation was so awesome. But something made them panic going into Bound for Glory. They spent a year building up Sting winning the NWA Title and they jobbed him to Abyss like 3 weeks later. They just went in such a nonsensical direction after that PPV.

[MT]

Dec 12, 2013 19:48:25 GMT -4 maddog1981 said:

Small correction, Sting did help the company when he signed in 2006. He popped some good buyrates for the company. They fucked that up by bringing back Russo in the fall.

They got about double the average for BFG and Genesis 2006, but that's it. Before it was 20-30,000 average and after it went right back to about those same levels. Sting moving them from a horrendous PPV number to a simply terrible one isn't my definition of success (a disastrous WWE PPV does 140,000 buys for comparison; a TNA PPV has never even done half of that). They were a money loser before Sting and a money loser after.

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Spending the kind of money they have on roster, they should be hoping for more than to simply break even on PPV instead of bleeding money on them.

Again, it's not the talent and it doesn't matter who TNA has on roster. John Cena getting dropped into TNA tomorrow would do them no good; people would just start asking Cena when he's coming back to wrestling when they see him in public. I have wanted to see a real number two company succeed for years now, but TNA just seems like they're trying to do everything wrong. Sting doesn't matter, Hardy doesn't, and AJ Styles sure doesn't either.

[maddog1981]

And they did make money, a brief amount, in 2007 and 2008 when they started house shows.

No, they don't matter. No one would matter. Cena, Lesnar, Punk and DB could jump ship tomorrow and it wouldn't move the meter more than a couple of blips. They've so fucked up their product over the last 6 years that no one trusts them to do anything right long term.

Sting and Angle initially made a difference because they were joining a fairly good product that was new and people had some faith in. Had they not screwed up so horrendously after Bound for Glory 2006, they might have continued to grow the product. But that's been there MO since almost the beginning. They hit critical mass points where they could grow their fanbase and they always make the wrong decision. They did it with the Jarrett//Raven feud, they did it when Monty Brown started taking off and they did it Bound for Glory in 2006.

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They had a chance to expand their fanbase when Aries got the title, too.

[maddog1981]

I feel like a lot of people wanted to jump on board for Aries but didn't trust the company to do the right thing.

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That's pretty much the case. I don't blame them one iota.

[maddog1981]

I mean, I somehow managed to struggle through six months of it in 2011 and that was the longest I had lasted since giving up on the product in early 2007.

[tyguy]

Nobody anywhere has said go sign Styles for LOW, he's a free agent!!! Give it time.

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I can do it right now if you want, Ty.

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I was going to say, that maybe now would be the time to possibly get AJ Styles in a multi card deal with Filsinger. Also what about Joe? He has done some dates with Championship Wrestling from Hollywood. Even though I stopped watching TNA when the Hogan/Bischoff era began I wouldn't turn away buying a TNA card set if Filsinger was able to work something out with them. I have always felt TNA was in a position that they could do something the WWE product wasn't and could steal viewership especially when the whole PG era kicked in with WWE but they just can't do it. TNA frustrates me as they have/had all this great home grown talent and young guys to really elevate and do something fresh and new with and they chose to have Bischoff and Hogan attempt to regurgitate the old WCW days and that simply doesn't work. AJ's asking price for appearances seems crazy high. Are there Legends or even well established guys that ask that much?

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Sean Waltman is $2,500 per booking but that includes travel. Mickie James is $1,500 per booking but that includes travel.