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Post by wildfire on Jun 17, 2014 22:54:13 GMT -4
I've had trouble watching the last couple weeks... I feel like Raw is in a holding pattern waiting for Bryan to get back.
If they were willing to turn Cena, I could totally see what Swarm suggested happening, but they'd be complete idiots to turn Bryan, and I don't think they'll pull the trigger on Cena.
What if they do some sort of spot with Lesnar taking someone's spot (Maybe Cesaro's.. turn him face) and then have him win? That would set up the Lesnar-Bryan Summer Slam match alot of people were hoping for out of Wrestlemania.
I'm liking Bo Dallas, but I think his act could get old fast.
I like GPs idea of Wyatt winning, but I don't know who he feuds with... ADR and Sheamus need to go away for a while, IMO.. both are really boring to me at this point. They could continue with Cena, or go back to Bryan, but that's just recently done.
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Post by guiltyparty on Jun 18, 2014 11:13:56 GMT -4
Thing is, Sheamus was gone. He's been back maybe six months? The issue isn't a case of "how can we miss you if you won't go away", it's that he came back exactly the same. The best thing for the Sheamus character would be a heel turn, which could be easily accomplished by having him win the title at Battleground from which ever heel wins at MitB, and having Sheamus turn on the returning Bryan (out of resentment over the fans thinking Bryan is the real champion) setting up a match between the two at SummerSlam.
Cena seems to be in a bit of Legacy mode, working with the new crop of top guys to give them main event credentials. He did it with Bryan last SummerSlam, and with Wyatt this spring, so his future slate should be made up of Cesaro, Rusev, and Rollins, though not necessarily in that order. After MitB, Cena and Orton shouldn't be allowed within 20 feet of each other on TV for at least 9 months (with the possible exception of both being in the Rumble).
I'm probably insane on this one, but I feel like the stage is perfectly set for Brock Lesner to work Face upon his return. He comes back and yells at Heyman to shut up about breaking the Undertaker's streak at Wrestlemania. Boom, instant face turn.
Bo Dallas is the best of the recent NXT call-ups.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 11:39:13 GMT -4
The problem with Cena is that guys tend to look way worse after a program with him than they did going in...just like Wyatt. Or Umaga. Or Miz in 09...or Miz in 2011. Or Ziggler.
Bryan was already massively over last year, I don't think Cena 'made' him at SummerSlam. I think Bryan was truly made at WrestleMania, ironically by two guys who internet fans claim bury their opponents (Triple H and Batista).
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Post by guiltyparty on Jun 18, 2014 11:55:31 GMT -4
See, I don't think Wyatt came out looking worse. I think he came out of their program the top non-Mcmahon family heel.
The entire Bryan story from late Summer 13 to spring 14 started with the program with Cena. So while I agree Cena didn't make Bryan, the program with Cena was key in positioning Bryan for what came after.
I agree though that there are plenty of guys for whom a program with Cena has done way more harm than good. The Miz is probably the main one (though that had as much to do with The Rock as with Cena) and in addition to the ones you listed there's also Ryback and R-Truth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 13:01:19 GMT -4
He really did murder Ryback last year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 21:34:24 GMT -4
Both of those ladder matches sound kind of really not good.
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Post by Forgot my Password on Jun 23, 2014 22:12:04 GMT -4
Both of those ladder matches sound kind of really not good. Awesome. Then don't watch the show and stop bitching about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 22:14:15 GMT -4
Both of those ladder matches sound kind of really not good. Awesome. Then don't watch the show and stop bitching about it.  |
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Post by Havoc on Jun 23, 2014 22:40:33 GMT -4
So, does anybody think that Barrett wins MITB and then whenever someone wins the world title they're all banged up in the ring and then we hear "I'm afraid I've got some bad news" and Barrett cashes in right then to win the world title?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 22:58:33 GMT -4
So, does anybody think that Barrett wins MITB and then whenever someone wins the world title they're all banged up in the ring and then we hear "I'm afraid I've got some bad news" and Barrett cashes in right then to win the world title? I had thought that when I saw the guys named for the contract match. I just hope they'd actually pull the trigger and give him the belt instead of doing to him what they did to Sandow. |
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Post by maddog1981 on Jun 26, 2014 22:56:51 GMT -4
I think they'd Sandow him.
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Post by wildfire on Jun 27, 2014 10:25:32 GMT -4
So we have one MitB match with all the main event guys (which is more important, but will probably suck) and one for a contract with all the spot monkeys (which will likely be decent). Interesting booking. Pretty weak card, overall, unless the MitB match for the title is way better than it looks. I suspect a real Clusterfuck of a match, with tons of outside interference.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 16:31:49 GMT -4
So we have one MitB match with all the main event guys (which is more important, but will probably suck) and one for a contract with all the spot monkeys (which will likely be decent). Interesting booking. Pretty weak card, overall, unless the MitB match for the title is way better than it looks. I suspect a real Clusterfuck of a match, with tons of outside interference. Hey now, random guest is gonna come in here and tell you to quit bitching! |
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Post by MT on Jun 30, 2014 8:23:00 GMT -4
Well, that was a thing. I hate to sound like the internet famous "that guy" but I turned off the show the moment Cena was on top of the ladder with those belts in hand. It just felt liked I'd seen that one already. Being as fair to Cena as possible right now, because it is not his fault, but it's just not funny anymore.
That aside, the first ladder match was good. Most of the rest of the show was hit or miss. In my mind they blew an opportunity with Rusev and Big E. That tackle through the ropes to the floor should have been a double countout, setting up a no dq/no countout match for the next PPV. Then Lana could hand Rusev the flag to use as a weapon or something, giving him the win but keeping Big E strong. They could have gotten a little more mileage out of this. Now. Nice tag match to open the show, but those were honestly the only two non-ladder matches worth mentioning as far as I'm concerned. I mean, I'll still watch Layla any time they put her on the screen but that "match" was.....yeah. As far as the Divas title match, Paige may be the most solid female wrestler (not "performer" or "diva") they've had in a while and Naomi is real athletic, but I just wasn't into it.
Also, I read that a lot of people were having problems with the feed. I anticipated that and just watched on my laptop. Every time it would freeze I'd just hit refresh and it would come right back. If I'd have been watching via TV that would have been annoying.
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Post by guiltyparty on Jun 30, 2014 9:48:43 GMT -4
It feels to me like they are missing the boat with the Rusev/Big E thing. At the very least this should have ended in such a way as to give Big E a cause for a third and decisive act to set up the obvious pay off ... A flag match.
I'm glad Sandow and Rose got some PPV face time, and Sandow's screaming "the elbow is coming!" Cracked me up, but I would have rather seen Bo Dallas get a match; though the fact that Dallas got to interact with Bryan on the pre-show speaks to them being high on him, I think.
I get putting the belts on Cena, he's the safe, established draw; but I thought his performance in the Ladder match itself was underwhelming. I haven't rewatched the match yet, but I can't remember Cena doing anything in the match besides taking the big kick from Sheamus and delivering the two AA's right at the end.
Narratively, I think they missed the boat in the other ladder match. It would have been a much better story to have Ambrose win the breifcase and then proceed to Mr. Kennedy it off of him and on to Rollins at Battleground.
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