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Post by Weltschmerz on Mar 25, 2015 19:14:23 GMT -4
Actually, what says more is that you are acting like you said "to me" from the very beginning. You didn't. You made the assertion that the main event got more interesting. Period. Guilty Party disagreed with you, which I know is like some capital offense, but whatever. Then you disagreed with him, and you were your typical bratty self.
So, yeah. Havoc, GP, me, numerous guests...dude, if all these people take issue with you, maybe it's not all of us.
All that said, I am neither more or less interested in the main event than I was before. I'm just looking forward to an entertaining evening of wrestling.
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Post by Havoc on Mar 25, 2015 19:28:20 GMT -4
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 19:30:13 GMT -4
Actually, what says more is that you are acting like you said "to me" from the very beginning. You didn't. You made the assertion that the main event got more interesting. Period. Guilty Party disagreed with you, which I know is like some capital offense, but whatever. Then you disagreed with him, and you were your typical bratty self. I'm a brat because I made a statement about a match being more interesting because the outcome wasn't as clear and took issue with someone acting like I couldn't be? OK, It says more that someone would go through the trouble to post something and edit it before I could see the response because they "went too far" than me being bothered by someone acting like I can't be more interested in the match because Brock re-signed. Oh and back to the "you hate people disagreeing with you." I hate people disagreeing with me because I enjoy discussions with people who have differing opinions? This is legitimately the only community that's ever said that to me, which speaks to the fact that people here don't like hearing someone else expressing a differing opinion. You can disagree with me all you want. That's fine. Essentially telling me that I can't be more interested in a fucking pro wrestling match because a wrestler I enjoy watching re-signed with WWE is a different matter entirely. It's fucking pro wrestling and people in this particular community, more than any other I've ever come across as far as wrestling goes, can't stand when people disagree with them. Want evidence? lucifer on the Oboard nearly having a stroke because people told him that Rollins running away from Reigns and Ambrose was the right thing. You can have your opinions all you want, but that doesn't mean that I can't voice my opinion. If you can't handle me voicing my opinion in the matter that I do, that's your problem. This is the only community I've ever been part of that gets this offended when I say anything. So, yeah. Havoc, GP, me, numerous guests...dude, if all these people take issue with you, maybe it's not all of us. So yeah, people who are already registered using guest accounts because they don't want to log in don't count. If all these people have the same issue (they can't deal with someone voicing a different opinion in the manner that I do), maybe it's not me. Maybe you need to step back, realize we're on a fucking pro wrestling card game forum, and move on. It's not that bad. There's this amazing feature called the block button, learn to use it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 19:31:38 GMT -4
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 20:33:43 GMT -4
Seriously, the fact that this is all because I posted something that anyone with half a functioning brain and even moderately developed social skills could see was clearly subjective is amazing to me. Saying "this just got more interesting" shouldn't have to be clarified as being someone's opinion on something. I shouldn't have to throw in "to me" or "IMO" on something like that.
So, for future reference, unless it's me updating a match card in a main post or posting that something is newly announced, what I post is purely MY OPINION. If you take something that is MY OPINION as being stated as a fact and proceed to get butthurt over it, that is YOUR PROBLEM. Any attempts to son me because you dislike my opinion or my attitude from this point forward are going to be met with rap battle quotes (either text or video), Spongebob .gifs, EDP445 videos, the Michael Hayes' "Freebird Road" video, New Jack rants, New Jack matches, New Jack's theme song, clips from the Ken Patera shoot interview, select Briscoes promos, Brody Hoofer promos, possibly scenes from the Adam Sandler classic "Eight Crazy Nights", Boondocks videos, Kurupt's opinion on Kendrick LaMar saying he's the King of New York, other assorted YouTube videos that I feel suit the situation at hand or all of the aforementioned.
I'll just get this out of the way to cover anything else that's gonna be said to me in this thread. This is what I think about your opinion of my opinion and how I choose to state it.
All that said with that said, I hope you all have a lovely evening and let's all enjoy the insane amount of wrestling programming that is on this week.
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Post by tax on Mar 25, 2015 21:13:32 GMT -4
I'll agree with Ricky in that Lesnar re-signing makes the match against Reigns more interesting even if I'm not liking the booking.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 21:21:13 GMT -4
I wish they would have just gotten over it and let Bryan win the Rumble and face Lesnar in the WM main event. I think that's a much better match on paper than Lesnar vs. Reigns especially if the endgame is Brock losing the title, especially given how a lot of the diehards feel about Lesnar. People would probably be happier with Bryan dethroning the monster to win back the title he never lost than they would be with a Reigns win.
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Post by wildfire on Mar 26, 2015 0:27:51 GMT -4
I really just don't like Lesnar that much... especially if he can't manage to be around more than 4 times a year. I also still think there's not way Reigns loses.. they've put way too much effort into him. I suspect Lesnar goes away for a while until they start a built for a fight with the Rock at WM 32
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 1:02:01 GMT -4
Lesnar would probably work every show if WWE wanted to pay him for all the extra dates.
Also I've seen that Rock/Lesnar theory going around a lot. I'm all for them loading up WM 32 with every big match imaginable. Rock/Brock II and Taker/Sting would be one of the biggest possible double-headers they could come up with. It'd be nice to see Austin back for one match but what opponent would really make sense, Cena maybe?
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Post by wildfire on Mar 26, 2015 8:49:38 GMT -4
Lesnar would probably work every show if WWE wanted to pay him for all the extra dates. Also I've seen that Rock/Lesnar theory going around a lot. I'm all for them loading up WM 32 with every big match imaginable. Rock/Brock II and Taker/Sting would be one of the biggest possible double-headers they could come up with. It'd be nice to see Austin back for one match but what opponent would really make sense, Cena maybe? I think Sting/Taker is 5 years too late (at least)... I'd actually rather see Sting/Cena (especially if they at long last made Cena a heel). For Austin, I'd mark out big time for Punk, but I don't think that's very likely... sure would be awesome, though. |
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Post by guiltyparty on Mar 26, 2015 11:56:02 GMT -4
Barring anything important happening on Smackdown (probably didn't need that caveat), how does everyone grade the build for Mania?
My grades are:
Tag Titles Match: D minus. I think the parts with the Usos and New Day have been fine, I guess, but for the build to a title match Mania to have included a six person intergender "interspecies" match is beyond stupid to me.
Andre the Giant memorial battle royal: C. Except for Curtis Axel, they haven't done a very good job of making it seem to me like this matters to anyone.
Paige & AJ Vs. The Belles: B minus. Maybe it's just that I think this has been so much better than the usual Divas crap at Mania (pillow fights, that Vickie Guerrero invitational clusterfuck last year), this is one of the few matches I'm personally actually interested in.
IC Ladder Match: C plus. For my money, the build to this has produced some really entertaining matches, but the narrative is all over the place and we've had to sit through Truth on commentary repeatedly, which is a crime against humanity. Also, I feel like they've made the ending of this really obvious, but since I'm seeing a lot of different predictions out there, that may just be my perception.
Rollins/Orton: F. I'm not being sarcastic or joking when I say this; I keep forgetting this match is on the card.
Cena/Rusev: B plus. I'm not a fan of any of the participants, but I think this has been a very successful, old school style of narrative. The only thing keeping it from getting an A was Rusev's lawyer. On a side note, this is the second Mania in a row Cena is working a high-midcard story. I hope the trend continues next year.
Sting/HHH: A. For the fourth year in a row, the story involving HHH has, in my opinion, the best creative output going into it.
Wyatt/Taker: A minus. Bray Wyatt has done a remarkable job, if you ask me, basically working by himself to build this match. On a personal note, Though I've enjoyed the build, I'm not looking forward to the match itself. As much as I like Bray Wyatt as a character I don't really enjoy his in ring work (I can't put my finger on why, I just don't) and watching Taker last year made me sad.
Lesnar/Reigns: D. I think Yoko/Hart was the only Mania main event title match with a less entertaining build. The totally tone deaf narrative they've built since the rumble has succeeded only in turning the absentee champion who only functions as a monster heel into a defacto babyface. Who ever writes Roman Reigns' promos should be fired... From a cannon.
Overall: C plus. I think this has been a pretty mediocre Mania build. No where near as bad as say 9 or 11 or 28, but also no where near as good say 6 or 30.
How would y'all grade it?
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Post by wildfire on Mar 26, 2015 14:51:19 GMT -4
I haven't really been watching enough for letter grades, but I generally agree... Sting-HHH has been great.. the IC title match has been very good.. Cena-Rusev has been decent (though very similar to all Rusev's other feuds)... Cena's doing what he can, though. I think it's time for Rusev to either get a main event program, or go away.
The Title match has been terrible, despite some great Heyman, and no one cares about the tag titles or the battle royal.
It's no surprise you forgot about Orton-Rollins, since they only started building it two weeks ago, even though everyone assumed it was happening. I guess it's good they both get the paycheck, and it could be a good match, but I find I don't care at all about the outcome.
The one I disagree with is Wyatt-Taker. It might be I'm just done with his act, but Wyatt doing long semi-nonsensical rambles every week and getting attacked with Pyro is NOT a build, IMO. Also, I have no faith that it will be a good match, so that's probably coloring it.
I think C, C+ is about right.
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Post by Weltschmerz on Mar 26, 2015 16:23:23 GMT -4
I don't really think of things in terms of "the build." The WWE knows far more about what it's doing and how to run a wrestling show than I do. I think that's what gets lost in a lot of Interweb discussions; none of us are on the inside, none of us know everything, or even a fraction of everything. We know exactly what the feds want us to know; thinking anything else makes you a bigger mark than I am. (And I am a huge mark.) The only question that lingers, for me, is "Am I looking forward to six hours of wrestling (pre-show + event) on Sunday?" And I am, so to that extent, their build was successful. Totally respect you guys for disagreeing, though.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 16:52:32 GMT -4
Barring anything important happening on Smackdown (probably didn't need that caveat), how does everyone grade the build for Mania? Actually hadn't given this much thought until you asked this, I guess I'd go: Lesnar/Reigns - D. Can't really give it an F because of Heyman's promos but that "faceoff" on RAW was one of the worst angles I've ever seen. Sting/HHH - B+. Other than the voiceover that clearly wasn't him, this has been awesome. Cena/Rusev - B. Second best build on the show, IMO. This really feels like an important match which is something I haven't been able to say about WWE's US Title...ever. Taker/Wyatt - C-. Wyatt's promo on Monday was good. I wasn't a fan of the rest of the build. Orton/Rollins - D-. Orton beat Rollins' ass for what seemed like an hour. What reason do I have to watch him get his revenge in the form of a wrestling match? Divas Tag - C+. I care far more about this than I ever figured I would have. Ladder Match - C. It's not that I hated the build or anything, I just don't get why Ziggler and Bryan aren't working a singles match instead of being thrown into this. Andre Battle Royal - N/A. Really sad that this isn't a bigger deal. Shows what they think of Andre, eh? Tag Title Match - D. Not a whole lot of build on this one, just kinda threw the teams together because it works. Not sure what that averages out to, but I'll go with a D+, maybe a C-. Very lackluster build. Doesn't really feel like WrestleMania to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 19:30:58 GMT -4
I read the Andre battle royal got bumped to the preshow in addition to the tag match
EDIT: It was indeed bumped, they announced the change on WrestleMania Today. So they're going with a seven match main card. When was the last time they had that few matches on the main show? Not saying it's wrong because there's a lot of matches that need as much time as they can get, just weird to think that the WM card is that small in terms of quantity.
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