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Post by Marduuk on Aug 10, 2010 11:48:10 GMT -4
I'll ask something I have pondered for a while: Why do you care?
We know Rob and his truope of circle jerks, not to mention the dingleberries, are a bunch of fucking douchebags, but we still complain about them. Why?
We know that the Official Board is run by a paranoid meglomaniac. Yet we go there and try for the better. Why?
We know the Official Board is about as official as my left sock. Yet we all look to it like a real game company's site. Why?
Many of us feel that the last few GWF sets have been subpar. Many of us feel that the real lights in the shadow, Kris and Mark, are being left behind. Yet we hope for better things from the GWF and we do not speak loud enough in favor of Mark and Kris. Why?
Our fun little community is not as fun as it used to be. It is too fractures and many people were run off by meatfucks with "connections". Too few new people come aboard, and those that do get lost easily. But still we pine about the days of yore, and hope that one day it will be better. Why?
I quote Aquinas when I say that this game was much better before the internet. Sans the internet, and really what was the community, the game was better, because it was just a game. But it is just a game: a wrestling sim with dice and paper.
So I ask: Why do you care?
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Post by wildfire on Aug 10, 2010 11:52:35 GMT -4
Personally, I only care because I want more people to see/read/participate in the LWA.. I think as whole we come up some really good stuff, and I want to see more people enjoy it.
I suppose to an extent it's also nostaligia.. I really enjoyed the old days on Ingersoll's board reading the bickering about TNA and whatnot. It's FUN to have lively discussions about things you like, and this community used to be a good source for that... maybe it will be again some time.
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Post by Havoc on Aug 10, 2010 12:06:07 GMT -4
I care because I love too much!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 14:04:07 GMT -4
I have to say all the crap that has gone on since Chris's board and so forth it will never change, the only way it will is by moving on and moving away from acknowledging the drama that is dealt by those who like to push people's buttons...
In short, it's best to hang with friends wherever they may post and what not and just get back to the basics, because the drama is so old it's time for it to die...
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Post by nate on Aug 10, 2010 14:24:12 GMT -4
After reading all of this, I am thinking about writing a book titled "Death of Cotg"
And yeah, that was a good post Turkish.I would say an answer to some of the questions that you posted would be that this is a small community, and some of us hope that it somehow stays together .Wildfire still posts over there, and I am glad that he does or else I wouldn't have found out about this board.
I have not dealt with a paranoid LWPD yet,the little contact I have had has been fine, maybe it is just some personal stuff between he and others? Though if this shit about the Desktop is as bad as it seems, that gets negative points in my book .
As for Kris and Mark, well Tom does have Kris doing stuff, though not AcE. I think maybe Tom felt AcE was to much like his new project?Mark's POW is still around and I am content to wait and see how it turns out.
As far as Rob goes, its weird. I have always lurked and participated sporadically in all of the incarnations of the "official" boards from guestbook till now, and I am surprised that I haven't gotten into the fray with he and Payback.I frequent political messageboards where the shit gets way worse than I have read on here.I have a weakness for debating/fighting on the internet.But still all these years I have held back.I think I was afraid of community backlash. This last year I have have been giving less and less a shit about that.So what happens? I was on Swarms board and took a shot at guessing what crazy new mechanic Prof.Sudden would have. This wasn't a contest or anything, but it turned out I was right, and Swarm was going to give me the new edition for free.When he found out about the fact that I didn't have any of the GWFZ stuff what did he do?He sent me the whole damn thing. So what the hell could I do? Even when I see stuff that I might get into it about , I almost feel like I can't ,lol. Though I will share something else, last month during the whole color thing ,I got into it with Payback, as did some of you.Well he started the whole parody thing in his fed, and for shits and giggles I reported him to Swarm.I figured they would have a laugh over it, but Swarm decided to delete his postinstead .Unfortunately he also deleted all of Paybacks Fed. Payback had to repost all his stuff, and to be honest I did feel a little bad about it and PMed Payback explaining it, but I do have to admit I laughed at first.Ahh, anyway...........................
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Post by wildfire on Aug 10, 2010 14:43:09 GMT -4
Swarm/Rob is a mystery to me.. he's like the cool kid in high school, but after he bullies you he wants you to like him, too. His big problem (or it was, anyway) is he can dish it out but he can't take it. Back on the Ingersoll board, he parodied me some, especially that year they posted false spoilers from G-Con. As a peace offering, I posted a parody skit back, in his fed thread. I don't remember it exactly, but Payback was under Swarm's desk.. it was pretty good, if I do say so myself He totally flew off the handle.. it was very amusing. It's funny, I'd had an account on his board pretty much since it was created... I posted a couple times when Dennis and a couple others were talking about comics. .. but it'd been probably 9 months since I'd posted anything. I went over there to PM Osk to see if he'd tell my why exactly I got banned, and then suddenly my account was deleted and my home IP was blocked. I guess he never noticed I was on his board before or somethin'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 15:04:31 GMT -4
Yeah I can't hold back...
I met Rob back at my first G-Con and I knew right off the bat he had a aura of being too good for people, but I got along with him but he has gotten worse by being put up on a throne by his ass kissing buddies and so I had enough shit and left his board after he altered my account where the text under my name with mocking comments and he also changed my threads about his beloved WWE and some facts about people leaving so I left his shit ass board behind and I'm glad I did...
I've had no issue with LWPD one on one, yeah he is not a choice to run a board but oh well it's what we have at the Oboard...
I have to say that Ty not being allowed to talk about his DVD's is lame, Mr.Vegas is in the shorts of LWPD and whoever else he can suck off... I don't know him one on one but to me he gloats too much and that kills things with the product, but in the end I'm just posting my fed and reading others who are decent people over on the Oboard and trying to stay away from the drama...
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Post by wildfire on Aug 10, 2010 16:37:51 GMT -4
Just for the record, there's nothing saying any of those guys can't come here and say whatever they want... I'd be more than happy to engage anyone in a conversation.... and they know where we are (at least, I know Paint does) If they don't its because they aren't willing to have a conversation in a forum where they can't control who gets to say what. BTW, calling this board a leper commune? That's a little harsh, man I think of myself more like Admiral Ackbar than Ben Hur's mom
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Post by Dustin on Aug 10, 2010 16:44:18 GMT -4
It was sarcasm. Put your iron fist away, LWildfirePD. Stop deleting my posts to make me look bad!
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Post by wildfire on Aug 10, 2010 16:46:04 GMT -4
Sarcasm? What is this Sarcasm of which you speak?
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Post by Marduuk on Aug 10, 2010 17:18:09 GMT -4
,I think of myself more like Admiral Ackbar So this is a trap, then?
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Post by Marduuk on Aug 10, 2010 17:19:44 GMT -4
Honestly, I sometimes feel like "I'm one of them" when I complain here or bash someone who can't defend themselves (LWPD, Swarm, Payback), but I know that I hold myself to a bigger truth. I can handle it. "They" can delete what they don't like (whatever I post that doesn't fall into their belief). Me? I hear anybody out. I'm a bigger man in my own mind. Therefore, this is my only means of expressing how I feel about this hobby/community (without being deleted), and I will express myself. I do not feel bad about expressing my disgust for people I mentioned above. You see, I didn't jump into this game til the end of 2006. I joined Ingersoll's board, but I didn't really know anybody; I came from e-Wrestling. I played here and there throughout 2007. I believe I was in the top five or so in posts over at the Deuce, but I never followed the drama (that I only read about after it closed). I became friends with Dennis around this time. He was my first friend within the community. I'm glad most of you came soon thereafter (Wildfire, Holland, Switchfoot). When I joined the notOFFICIAL forum, I really started to realize what I love about the game... the community. I even told Tom (via phone) that that was my favorite aspect of the game. I have met more good guys in this community than bad. Honestly, that's why I care. Also, what makes this game a blast to me is sharing. If I had no means of sharing my stuff/reading other feds, I don't know if this game would mean as much to me. Sure, I could be like Todd (Holland) and post results via Facebook, but the community forum has always been a cool aspect to me when it comes to posting one's fed. All in all, I've tried to be one of the best members I could possibly be on the notOFFICIAL forum since I joined in 2008, but it became clear that certain people can do and say what they want. I am not one of them. We all know who they are. Lastly, LWPD plays favorites. Maybe I'm just a bigger man. I don't need to be an internet celebrity among such a silly game. However, as a customer and provider to the community, I have the right to be fuckin' heard. Therefore, FUCK YOU! You know who you are, and you probably will never read this. Thank God we have people like Ty, Wildfire, Dennis, Holland, Graymar, Switchfoot, Lord Rahl, and so many others who are real men amongst fuckin' children. Also, a solid FUCK YOU to Tom. Honestly, we are not dumb. Obviously, you don't really care about this anymore. You want money and to be famous. I LOL when I think about Swarm and Payback's identity when you decide to pull the plug. The people like us we'll be okay. We're the evil, Desktop using bootleggers who made a fuckin' leper commune to escape "Like Watching Paint Dictate." Lastly, I will still post there (discussion/no feds) until I'm banned for speaking up over here. I think the notOFFICIAL forum will eventually fall under. I'll continue to play a game I enjoy here amongst friends and honest men who can keep their panties far from the depths of their asscracks. Oh, I want karma for this damn good post. I'm FAMOUS! First off, this is not the "FUCK YOU" thread. I am going to have to relocate this. Second, rap on brother. Rap on
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 17:31:45 GMT -4
I'm not going to defend Tom, but I have no issue with him but he has made some bad choices in who runs a board (Oboard) that is linked to him and other people (Swarm / Payback one in the same) who are his closest friends and endorsers of the game who speak for the game when they are "Nothings Wrong in Filsinger Games Blinder Wearing Zombies" who are against anything that's criticizing the said product...
Overall the game for me still is fun, but the drama some of our fellow promoters like to deal can go missing for sure...
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Aug 10, 2010 17:41:24 GMT -4
,I think of myself more like Admiral Ackbar So this is a trap, then?
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Post by antimony on Aug 10, 2010 18:44:59 GMT -4
Okay, fair question. Here's why I care.
I believe in good and evil. I believe that we all have to choose between one or the other. It's not always the big things--do I rob this liquor store? Do I stab my ex-girlfriend who cheated on me? Do I take money from this guy who's weaker and smaller than I am?
It starts with the little stuff. Do I flip off the guy who cut me off in traffic? Do I look down the blouse of the hot chick in front of me at Burger King who just dropped her purse? Do I backdate the shipping form at work so it doesn't look like I mailed out the very important files late?
I'm not claiming that I always make the good choice. Hell, I probably make the bad choice more often than anyone here. (Yes, even you.) But my bad choices have consequences. Did the girl catch me looking at her? Did my wife/girlfriend catch me? Did my boss figure out that I backdated the shipping form?
Because in addition to good and evil, I believe in justice. I believe that if you do bad things, you should pay negative consequences. When I see people do bad things and get away with it, it bothers me. Because as much as I want to, I don't believe in karma. I don't believe that "what goes around comes around." I believe that it's up to each and every one of us to pursue justice, because there is no greater, divine force that is going to make things right. Not in this life, anyway. Maybe in the afterlife, and maybe it's a sign of my own sinful nature that I can't be content with that. If so, that's another of my own little evils, and I'm sure I will have to deal with the consequence of it someday.
There are a handful of people in that community who do bad things. They're hypocrites. They're bullies. They're arrogant. They're self-righteous. They choose to do the wrong thing. They choose to make fun of other people, publicly, in their feds. They choose to hold themseves to a different standard than anyone else. They choose to attack, to belittle, to lie (yes, they lie)--and they don't just stop when they've made a point, or forced a concession. They continue to attack after someone is down.
They choose to do the evil thing, even a little evil thing. And no one holds them accountable. They get praised for attacking someone. They get rewarded for ripping down someone who thinks differently than they do. They take a game that some people used to enjoy (myself included), and they make it an unpleasant thing, and the "powers that be" -- the fucking publisher of the game who should be the first person to say, "Hey, now, hold on--these are my customers, too, and they have every right to say what they want and feel how they want and play how they want" -- just accepts it and thanks them for all their hard work and enthusiasm.
This isn't justice. And if we tolerate injustice, if we fail to repay the little evils with punishment, and instead, we hold them up as role models...then what stops us from accepting greater and greater evils? Where does the erosion of our standards and morals stop?
Maybe I'm being too melodramatic, but that's how I feel. And you asked.
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