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Post by Havoc on Jan 13, 2011 2:13:41 GMT -4
To be totally honest, color or b/w means nothing to me. As long as the stats are quality, color or b/w is a moot point. I don't really care either but to me it's a continuity thing. Playing with some B/W and some color would just seem, I don't know, incomplete or trashy. And I don't think they're going to colorize 150+ legends cards overnight. That I think is at the core of my issue. If it's B/W fine but if you're coming out with new cards you need to either offer a B/W version or reissue all your legends cards in color.
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Post by todd on Jan 13, 2011 7:45:34 GMT -4
I can understand color cards for LOTF and COTG but think black and white is a better fit for legends. It's nostalgic and leaves something to the imagination
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 8:20:04 GMT -4
FG pretty much knows it's long time fan base for the most part will buy it's product whether it be color or b&w. It was stated during the war of words during the 2125 debate that people at conventions loved color over b&w and FG wants new patrons and color cards stand out and will help them sell more sets...
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Post by maddog1981 on Jan 13, 2011 8:42:03 GMT -4
I think LOW is a different animal than COTG or LOTF. I think the fanbase for LOW will be older and more accepting of b/w.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 10:30:42 GMT -4
I think LOW is a different animal than COTG or LOTF. I think the fanbase for LOW will be older and more accepting of b/w. True LOW is set toward a older crowd, but like any company they're going to try and draw more of a wide range demographic and I would do the samething to have more sells... Either way, the more new patrons for FG, the stronger the company remains...
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Post by wildfire on Jan 13, 2011 13:22:09 GMT -4
Lots of good discussions in here! I'm gonna post my thoughts on the different topics separately.
On mixing eras:
I kinda agree with BDS... it's not that the stats or styles don't fit.. it just hurts my head. I've tried it on many occassions, and I think that's what it comes down to.
I'm a sports gamer from way back... i was playing Statis Pro games with my dad when I was 6 years old... mixing eras never quite worked... 'all time' teams never quite worked. Whether it was bad stats, or having to 'bench' superstars because you have other, better superstars, or just the principle, it always hurt my head with other sports.
I THOUGHT wrestling would be ok, since alot of the old time guys stay around for so long, but it's tough. I think it's that there's no point of reference... is Gotch a veteran, or a rookie? How about RVD? Quack? The tendency (For me, at least) is to consider the guys from longer ago the 'veterans' but that doesn't quite work.. but calling them 'rookies' doesn't either.
It's easy with CoTG.. they're not real, so you can pretend whatever floats your boat at that moment, but for real guys that I have a real picture of in my head, it's hard.
I've definitely had the most fun with Legends when I DIDN't mix eras much. While I'm not a huge CHikara fan, I'll probably give them another shot leading up to this set, and give running a fed a real chance once it comes out.
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Post by wildfire on Jan 13, 2011 13:29:16 GMT -4
On the release/composition of the set itself:
The only way it makes sense (to me) to do it is to do a box set type thing, with the cards, charts (probably Chikara specific ones), a couple special matches for Chikara in particular (Trios stuff for sure), and a nice, color booklet.
I'd think that would probably make FG WANT to charge in the $50 range for such a thing, though I'd like to think they'll be smart and put it at a lower price (maybe $30 - $35) to move as many as possible and get the game out there to Chikara fans.
I'd also expect there'd be a smaller, just-the-cards version for long time FG people. Considering the huge backlash against the thought of offering B&W cards for 2125, I don't think there's much chance of that. I agree with Havoc that I wouldn't mix B & W and Color cards.. it would totally hurt my head... I don't even like the blue-inked Classics cards.
I think putting the old sets in color might be a long time in coming though.... maybe as they run out of B & W sets on hand? I can't see FG tossing anything they have printed, that's for sure.
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Post by maddog1981 on Jan 13, 2011 20:56:05 GMT -4
I'm hoping it's compatible with LOTF. I would love to get Lince Dorado, Frightmare, Hallowicked, Los Ice Creams and the Super Smash Brothers in my LOTF fed.
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Post by maddog1981 on Jan 13, 2011 21:09:56 GMT -4
For 24 cards I think we're looking at something like this:
Tecnicos:
Mike Quackenbush Jigsaw Fire Ant Soldier Ant Green Ant Frightmare Hallowicked Player Uno Player Dos Ultramantis Black Helios
Rudos:
Chuck Taylor Icarus Johnny Gargano Brodie Lee Vin Gerard Ice Cream Jr. El Hijo Del Ice Cream
BDK:
Claudio Castagnoli Ares Tursas Delirious Sara Del Ray Tim Donst Delirious
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Post by executioner on Jan 14, 2011 10:58:29 GMT -4
I THOUGHT wrestling would be ok, since alot of the old time guys stay around for so long, but it's tough. I think it's that there's no point of reference... is Gotch a veteran, or a rookie? How about RVD? Quack? The tendency (For me, at least) is to consider the guys from longer ago the 'veterans' but that doesn't quite work.. but calling them 'rookies' doesn't either. You raise an interesting point. LOW cards do not have "character evolution" in them that the GWF has. Every one of the LOW stars is in their "prime." I find character evolution feature to be one of very few strong points of the GWF. The current silly (and sad) state of the GWF aside, having characters grow and develop is cool. Now on the LOW front, I don't worry about titles like rookies or veterans. The LOW guys are what they are, all top notch guys in their prime. I like that. When I think of any wrestler, I never think of them coming up the ranks, I think of them at their peak. Case in point, how many people when the name John Cena gets mentioned thinks of him as Prototype. It's just not how it works. LOW shows the best guys of wrestling history at their best stage. Just how it should be. And mixing eras just doesn't bother me, its not a problem. If I can handle the human vs. alien GWF stuff, then mixing LOW eras is very easy. And the fact that LOW eras mix so well is a testament to how well the game is put together (warts and all).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 12:53:19 GMT -4
executioner I agree about mixing eras and the game mechanics allow that to work well with mixing... I use to back in the mid to late 90's mix official with boots, I changed for a spell but now I'm back in the mindset that mixing CotG, LOW/LOTF, Bootlegs, B&W and Color all together is fun...
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Post by executioner on Jan 14, 2011 16:53:54 GMT -4
This has been one of the most civil and enjoyable conversations I have seen on a board in a LONG time. Looking forward to what others think.
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Post by Dustin on Jan 14, 2011 19:48:43 GMT -4
Maybe because Swarm had a hand in it, I believe.
Wait till info starts coming out.
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Post by lwffantrav on Jan 15, 2011 12:11:59 GMT -4
Probably will have to pass. Not real interested in stand alone sets...rather have them compatible with other sets.
Color or black and white, could care less either way. As long as the stats are accurate and the drawing is good, that's more what I'm worried about.
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Post by wildfire on Jan 15, 2011 18:36:08 GMT -4
My decision will probably mostly be based on the cost and the mix of guys... if it's $40-50 bucks, and has 8 guys I already have cards for, I'll probably pass. If it's more like $30 and has 20 new wrestlers, I'll get it.
In between...we'll see.
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