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Post by Dustin on Feb 7, 2011 12:07:34 GMT -4
Honestly, I love the ease of LEGENDSonline (Desktop). What I think would help boost sales for the online version of LOW would be to release the LOW sets from here on out in cardstock and online. They do it for COTG, and COTGonline seems to be very popular (I use it).
So, say they release Legends X of ten cards; they can add another eight from former sets. It's really not fair how the online/cardstock formula is panning out. It's like, why pay for online if you cannot get what's released on cardstock. I know COTG and LOW are way different due to copyrights and stuff, but see how that would go over if it was a pick and choose type of thing for COTGonline, or if COTGonline sets were released way later than the cardstock.
It really makes a lot of sense to go this route.
No, Mark, I'm not complaining. ;D
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Post by graymar on Feb 7, 2011 12:29:23 GMT -4
I don't know how the agreement with the Wrestlers is worded. I wonder if releasing them Online in addition to card stock may be some kind of violation of the agreement (both for previous and for future)?
If the agreement is to produce a card stock card, then there could be some problems if they are released Online. If the contract is worded to use likenesses for Filsinger Games, then maybe not.
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Post by wildfire on Feb 7, 2011 12:42:05 GMT -4
I know TM has said in the past the the old agreement they used was a problem for online cards, but supposedly newer ones have it taken care of.
I can only assume they don't think anyone will buy more legends online, but the cost of getting more guys online is pretty miminal, I'd think.
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Post by Dustin on Feb 7, 2011 13:10:55 GMT -4
I know TM has said in the past the the old agreement they used was a problem for online cards, but supposedly newer ones have it taken care of. I can only assume they don't think anyone will buy more legends online, but the cost of getting more guys online is pretty miminal, I'd think. Exactly. Series 3 to 4 of LOWonline took a great while. I understand if someone can't be online. I'm sure they have fixed that issue. I just want it to be as fair as possible, especially with the new sets. I just honestly feel when LOW 10 came out, it should have been online as well.
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Post by tyguy on Feb 7, 2011 13:15:04 GMT -4
The first form the wrestler signs didn't say anything about online because it didn't exist then. The new form just added a few words to be used in a digital game.
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Post by maddog1981 on Feb 7, 2011 13:31:56 GMT -4
I think they dropped the ball with Legends Online so horribly that it might be dead. They released that first group and then... nothing. There's no reason that they can't release a wrestler a month on there. I probably haven't touched my Legends Online stuff in 6 months.
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Post by wildfire on Feb 7, 2011 13:38:51 GMT -4
The ball was dropped for online the day it was released.. they rushed it to get it out for G-Con before it was done, and never fixed it. You were SUPPOSED to be able to play against other people. if this worked, I'd bet most if not all of the regulars would buy everything online. I sure would have.
As it is, people that use online are those that feel like they don't have time to roll the dice (mostly). Personally, I've done both, and by the time you do the data entry that should be automatic you've taken pretty close to the same amount of time... even with the pbp sim.
Besides that, if you don't have time to play with the dice, for alot of people, that's one step from 'I don't really have time to play' period. So more buys that not who are drifting away from the game.
I really think the reason is no one at FG feels like doing the data entry for that stats.
Take a look at the COTG Online bug report thread.. there are TONS of typos that have been found... many of them MONTHS after the set was released.
Judging by his speed of reponse, I'm guessing Tom is paying squire for a couple hours a month to maintain things... it can't be more than that since there's been no update in a couple years now.
I'm pretty sure Osk did the data entry for the sets that are out there, and that can't be fun, especially if you have no financial stake in it.
I'd be willing to bet there's 10 people that would, in a heartbeat, do it for them for full access to everything that's Online now... which costs FG exactly 0.
Why will this not happen? The only reason I can think of is that the income from Online is so small that Tom can't be bothered, though I can't imagine why... it's like waking by a $100 on the sidewalk and not picking it up.
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Post by maddog1981 on Feb 7, 2011 13:44:47 GMT -4
In fairness to them on the typos. I was essentially proof reading the sets as they got released and hadn't done that for the last 2 or 3 sets.
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Post by Dustin on Feb 7, 2011 14:09:36 GMT -4
When it comes to releases, I have two views. If the wrestler is a legend that's been retired, I can have him/her now or down the road. If it's a current wrestler in the indies, I want him/her now. Why would I want some of the ROH/Chikara talent years later when they have either moved on or are not that character at all anymore.
Honestly, we should have been getting the previously released wrestlers that can be added online long ago. We'd be caught up with who has been released that can be online, and FG would have more money. It would be so easy for them to add LOW guys now that it will be going to card art. We should have recieved Legends 10 online by now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 14:15:10 GMT -4
I would have loved if Online was a program ( Like Desktop ) on your computer via disk so you have it when you need to get a new system, but still have that option to download new product and play versus other players...
I'm at the point I prefer real dice and real cards to play as I did when I first started playing in 1988...
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Post by Dustin on Feb 7, 2011 14:17:32 GMT -4
I love being able to sit back in my recliner with my laptop and play Legends.
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Post by MT on Feb 7, 2011 15:01:47 GMT -4
No, Mark, I'm not complaining. ;D Hell, you wouldn't need my permission even if you were! That's a suggestion and it's a pretty decent one. I think some of the problems have been addressed here already: time and investment versus returns seems to be a big one. The way the Legends side of online has been presented has not made it an attractive option to me. On the GWF side of things, I can get the latest edition online and have everything I need. With Legends it's just a pack of random wrestlers. I understand why it was done that way with the initial releases, but I think it was a bad decision not to try to get Legends Ten released online side-by-side with the print version. As it stands the selection of wrestlers available online is spotty at best. It's hard to point to any one factor as "the" reason Legends has not flourished online, but the roster selection doesn't help matters.
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Post by wildfire on Feb 7, 2011 15:33:57 GMT -4
I would have loved if Online was a program ( Like Desktop ) on your computer via disk so you have it when you need to get a new system, but still have that option to download new product and play versus other players... I'm at the point I prefer real dice and real cards to play as I did when I first started playing in 1988... I suggested that during development (I was a beta tester, after all), and was told that the reason it was online was because they thought the main draw was going to be to play against others over the internet. I agree that WAS the main draw... to bad 4 years later it still doesn't work.
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Post by Dustin on Feb 7, 2011 15:38:19 GMT -4
I would have loved if Online was a program ( Like Desktop ) on your computer via disk so you have it when you need to get a new system, but still have that option to download new product and play versus other players... I'm at the point I prefer real dice and real cards to play as I did when I first started playing in 1988... I suggested that during development (I was a beta tester, after all), and was told that the reason it was online was because they thought the main draw was going to be to play against others over the internet. I agree that WAS the main draw... to bad 4 years later it still doesn't work. What a league you could create with such a feature, with LOW/COTG or created.
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Post by wildfire on Feb 7, 2011 16:44:13 GMT -4
Yup.. would have been awesome....
there could have been an 'official' GWF fed, with different people running different guys, and gathering once a week to play the card... posting the results on the board real-time.... maybe even have a couple people do play-by-play on the board.
Same with LoW.... instead of taking turns running LWA PPVS, we could each use our guys online... when you were doing a angle with another fed, you could play the match together, and work out the angle as you play.
AWESOME stuff would be possible...the fact that it was just given up on when it didn't work on the 1st try is probably what got me so grouchy about the company in general.
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