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Post by guiltyparty on Jul 23, 2014 8:09:10 GMT -4
Or alternatively it could turn Lesnar face by positioning him as another victim of the Authority's abuse of power.
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Post by swarm on Jul 23, 2014 9:13:13 GMT -4
I'm thinking Lesnar wins, then Rollins cashes in? I agree they can't really have Lesnar be champ and not be on TV, but they also shouldn't have him lose. I think it would be a refreshing change of pace to have the world champion wrestle exclusively at PPV's. That's how it should be. One of the problems with RAW is that it puts everyone on the same level. The champion doesn't get any special treatment. Sometimes they open the show, sometimes they wrestle in the middle of it, sometimes they close it, just like most everyone else in the upper card. I used to love when Hogan would only show up on PPV's or on SNME. Make fans work to see the world champion fight, and instead use that weekly TV time to push the top contenders and lower tier titles (IC and Tag). Would a RAW main event for the IC title kill anybody? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 9:49:01 GMT -4
Or alternatively it could turn Lesnar face by positioning him as another victim of the Authority's abuse of power. But the crowd already cheers him anyways. As a part-time attraction, turning him face accomplishes nothing. He can work the same guys now that he could with a legit babyface turn and nothing would change. Reactions would stay the same and everything. Plus, if the endgame is Lesnar vs. Reigns at WrestleMania, turning him face now only to turn him heel later would be pointless. |
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Post by guiltyparty on Jul 23, 2014 11:27:42 GMT -4
Or alternatively it could turn Lesnar face by positioning him as another victim of the Authority's abuse of power. But the crowd already cheers him anyways. As a part-time attraction, turning him face accomplishes nothing. He can work the same guys now that he could with a legit babyface turn and nothing would change. Reactions would stay the same and everything. Plus, if the endgame is Lesnar vs. Reigns at WrestleMania, turning him face now only to turn him heel later would be pointless. I agree with you. Don't take what I said as an endorsement of turning Brock face, I was only pointing out how Rollins could cash in on him without Rollins turning face. I'm thinking Lesnar wins, then Rollins cashes in? I agree they can't really have Lesnar be champ and not be on TV, but they also shouldn't have him lose. I think it would be a refreshing change of pace to have the world champion wrestle exclusively at PPV's. That's how it should be. One of the problems with RAW is that it puts everyone on the same level. The champion doesn't get any special treatment. Sometimes they open the show, sometimes they wrestle in the middle of it, sometimes they close it, just like most everyone else in the upper card. I used to love when Hogan would only show up on PPV's or on SNME. Make fans work to see the world champion fight, and instead use that weekly TV time to push the top contenders and lower tier titles (IC and Tag). Would a RAW main event for the IC title kill anybody? But Hogan was touring constantly back then because it was still a house show business during the Mania era. The issue wouldn't be the world champion wrestling exclusively on PPV, it would be him working every 4th PPV. I hope Brock as champ will show up at least monthly instead of quarterly. |
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Post by wildfire on Jul 23, 2014 13:02:55 GMT -4
I agree in theory it would be great to have the champ appearing being special, but there are alot problems with that in today's wrestling...GP posted a couple of them...
Mostly, it's that WWE has 8 hours or TV programming a week to feel (Raw, SD, Main Event, Superstars, NXT)... not counting the pre- and post shows or special events... that's ALOT of time to fill without using your champ. Back when Hogan was around it was more like 2 hours a week... then, TV was mostly a commerical for house shows and PPVs. Now, TV is the main draw... you can't not have your biggest star (which the champ should be) not around... that's definitely not 'best for business'
Then there's the state of the mid-card. There is no mid card. Guys like Ziggler, Barrett, Big E, Del Rio, etc.. get random pushes, have show feuds with random guys, then move on. The Rusev-Swagger feud is easily the biggest build of a mid-card feud in a long time. Granted, you can have a main event feud without the title (Cena-Wyatt, for example), but I don't think the writers have the ability to book a solid card top to bottom without the champ.. think about how much time he usually gets.. between a promo or two, and a match, you're talking 1/4 of the show most Raws (no idea how Smackdown works, haven't watched it for ages).
Then there's the fact that wins and losses are irrelevant most of the time. In order to have matches people care about, they either have to have a good story, or mean something. Without the title, they don't mean anything.. back in the day, they at least pretended that there were rankings and top contenders. When was the last time that happened? At best, we get a #1 contenders match. Most of the time, title contenders just state they want a match, and they get it or they don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 13:03:45 GMT -4
It's not that there is no midcard, it's that 95% of the roster IS the midcard.
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Post by wildfire on Jul 23, 2014 13:04:55 GMT -4
Why would Rollins cash in on Brock? That would essentially turn him face after they just broke the Shield up to turn him heel. I'm assuming Lesnar isn't just going to be a happy Authority lackey. Maybe he will be. They'd have to work pretty hard to get Lesnar booed, I think, regardless of what the plan is. |
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Post by guiltyparty on Jul 23, 2014 13:17:48 GMT -4
Why would Rollins cash in on Brock? That would essentially turn him face after they just broke the Shield up to turn him heel. I'm assuming Lesnar isn't just going to be a happy Authority lackey. Maybe he will be. They'd have to work pretty hard to get Lesnar booed, I think, regardless of what the plan is. Or, you know, just let him do his own talking. That would pretty much do it. |
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Post by wildfire on Jul 23, 2014 13:29:13 GMT -4
It's not that there is no midcard, it's that 95% of the roster IS the midcard. You could look at it that way, yeah. Cena, HHH, Orton are at the top. Then you've got Reigns, Sheamus, Wyatt, Big Show, Del Rio, Miz, etc... guys that they tried to make into Main Event Stars, but aren't really there yet (or perhaps never will be). They get to be in main events if there's no one better, but get supplanted by part time stars (like Lesnar and JEricho) whenever possible. I'd consider those guys 'main eventers' in today's WWE. The mid card is guys like Ziggler, Rollins, the tag teams, etc. Most of them wouldn't really be credible as champs, but they try sometimes. The you have the jobbers like Ryder, Sandow, Slater, etc who are pretty much ruined at this point. I think they'd have to really do alot of good booking work to re-establish a good top to bottom card like the old days. |
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Post by wildfire on Jul 23, 2014 13:30:26 GMT -4
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 13:40:09 GMT -4
I'm assuming Lesnar isn't just going to be a happy Authority lackey. Maybe he will be. They'd have to work pretty hard to get Lesnar booed, I think, regardless of what the plan is. Or, you know, just let him do his own talking. That would pretty much do it. Eh, he was still pretty over as a babyface back in the day. He's not being booked as an Authority lackey. He's the guy the Authority are bringing in to take out John Cena. He's more of a hired gun, a mercenary, than anything. |
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Post by swarm on Jul 23, 2014 13:52:58 GMT -4
... you can't not have your biggest star (which the champ should be) not around... that's definitely not 'best for business' I think it can be done. They can still be around, they just don't need to wrestle every show. 12 title defenses a year, once a month, is a lot. You have the champ show up, talk about him, cut interviews for 3 weeks, but no TV matches. Keep him out of the ring. Show him training instead. That would work perfectly for Lesnar. The whole point should be the champion sits a top the thrown waiting while the rest fight it out to determine his next challenger. Want a better mid-card? This is one solution. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 14:03:08 GMT -4
The thing with Brock is he only has a set number of "appearances" in his contract and you can't burn those out because then you're left with no appearances at all until he can actually wrestle. The alternative would be taping an ass load of vignettes with him, but I'm not sure if his contract is worded where each video appearance counts towards his deal or not.
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Post by wildfire on Jul 23, 2014 15:53:51 GMT -4
... you can't not have your biggest star (which the champ should be) not around... that's definitely not 'best for business' I think it can be done. They can still be around, they just don't need to wrestle every show. 12 title defenses a year, once a month, is a lot. You have the champ show up, talk about him, cut interviews for 3 weeks, but no TV matches. Keep him out of the ring. Show him training instead. That would work perfectly for Lesnar. The whole point should be the champion sits a top the thrown waiting while the rest fight it out to determine his next challenger. Want a better mid-card? This is one solution. Maybe.. but there would definitely be a temporary ratings drop... it's going to take a few good weeks of booking for people to tune in to see Dolph Ziggler Vs. the Miz, say, in a Raw main event. I'm not sure Vince would tolerate that... if the dirt sheets are even 1/2 right, he goes crazy every time they lose viewers for anything. I also don't have alot of confidence in the WWE to pull it off. I'd love to see it.. more story lines and developing more talent would be great.. but I'm skeptical the current WWE could pull it off. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 4:33:04 GMT -4
Anyone else remember when the World Champ was on TV every week and people up and down the card still had angles and shit? It wasn't that long ago. No idea why they can't just do that again.
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