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Post by Tommy Brownell on May 28, 2008 0:37:24 GMT -4
It's definitely worked better for me than anything else I have tried with LWF...in fact, it's probably the system that has worked best for me in CotG or LOW.
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Post by wildfire on May 28, 2008 11:20:30 GMT -4
Whether I play in Desktop or with the dice and cards, if I'm timing something, like when using the Start of Match Chart, I don't time it too carefully. In other words, I don't run a stopwatch or anything, but just check the clock every so often. Ah. See I determine the length of the match by how many dice were rolled. I take the total dice rolled and divide by 15. This is easy to do in Desktop after the match -- using the Dice counter. And for tabletop I just have 15 six-siders in a dish. When I run out, it's been a minute. So it's easier for me to say the match has gone X minutes on tabletop. Not that it's impossible in Desktop. Just distracting having to do the math of Single dice + 2(Double Dice) in my head during the match. That's a interesting idea... I do 10 seconds per roll, then roll at the end to get the last digit for color... so, say there were 74 rolls (a pretty typical match with 3 or 4 tokens total)... my system would give it 740 seconds, or 11:20, then I'd roll once for the last digit, so it would come out to, say 11:28. Dividing by 15 seems like it would be a little low.
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Post by wildfire on May 28, 2008 11:26:44 GMT -4
I like the "tour" idea... stucture is something I tend to lack in my booking.. I have trouble building stuff long term sometimes.
For champions, I lower their pin by 1, and they always start the match. I like some of the charts that are out there, but I also like to keep things simple... the booking and such is really the appeal of the game for me rather than the matches themselves.
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Post by Cory Olson on May 28, 2008 16:16:15 GMT -4
I like your tour system, Tommy. I had thought about doing a tour set-up when I started playing LOW, similar to what New Japan and All Japan do. But for now the typical three shows per month works for me.
I like your timing idea, Wildfire.
Tommy mentioned supergroups. Do a lot of you guys do supergroups in your LOW feds? So far I have avoided having too many supergroups. I do have heel stables, led by a manager and some have names (obviously The Heenan Family). Team Real Pro Wrestling (Gotch, Hutton, Hodge, and Severn, and initially Hackenschmidt) were put together because of common styles.
Even when there are factions, it doesn't necessarily mean they are going to feud with another faction. In the past Capt. Lou Albano's men didn't always have much in common, other than Albano. This year I've had them work together more.
As of right now, I plan to do my biggest "faction feud" I would have ever done later this year. One of the factions will be a current group, while their enemies will be a somewhat new group.
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Post by wildfire on May 28, 2008 16:21:27 GMT -4
I like teams... I think it seems more 'epic' that way. I think that's something that's missing in today's wrestling.. it all seems kinda random.
I do think at time the GWF forced things, with everyone always being in a stable and always feuding with a stable with the same amount of guys *coughAllEarthSquadCough* but I think a few stables is a really good thing.
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Post by Cory Olson on May 28, 2008 17:13:06 GMT -4
I do think at time the GWF forced things, with everyone always being in a stable and always feuding with a stable with the same amount of guys *coughAllEarthSquadCough* but I think a few stables is a really good thing. I totally agree, Wildfire. I never had a problem with Tom's faction concept. But in some GWF sets, it seemed like a stretch that certain wrestlers were part of a certain group. It was like Tom had to put them somewhere. I like the early GWF years where you did have stables, but then Tom always pointed out "cross allies"--like Wolf and Proteus or Executioner and Ghengis Khan. I try to do more of that idea in my USWA.
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Post by Tommy Brownell on May 28, 2008 21:09:58 GMT -4
I have ran into that problem with my supergroup set-up at times...namely with faces...Yukon Eric, Ilio DiPaolo, SD Jones and Jim Duggan come to mind.
That's USUALLY a sign I need to trim my roster down...but I'm too darn softhearted to fire too many people...so I keep trying to squeeze square pegs into round holes.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2008 11:20:56 GMT -4
I go through stable phases where I will have almost everyone in some stable at some point and then they break up and it goes back to only a few guys forming due to a common enemy or cause.
I know my developmental fed has more of that stable feel starting now and I am hoping to have the guys in developmental transition over to my Maple Leaf fed and maybe even bring that stable idea with them if it works. Kinda like having that indy following of a group and then they are so over once they hit the "big time" due to fans who follow their indy runs and casual fans just loving or hating the group because the stable had time to refine their gimmick during their indy run.
Either way stables and supergroups are a nice way to get guys who would otherwise be doing nothing have a purpose in your fed even it is just to be the sacrificial lamb so the big names in the group don't have to do "the Job". LOL!
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Post by shazam6000 on Jun 5, 2008 11:06:37 GMT -4
How do you handle title shot rematches? Do you automatically give the former champion another shot ?
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Post by brianu on Jun 5, 2008 11:29:28 GMT -4
Yes, all my champs get a rematch. However, when it occurs is different. Heels always avoild teh former face champ as long as possible using every excuse possible. Faces usually face the former heel champ soon after to get rid of any controversy about the title change or that the face just got lucky.
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Post by jasonjaconetti on Jun 5, 2008 12:52:09 GMT -4
Yes, all my champs get a rematch. However, when it occurs is different. Heels always avoild teh former face champ as long as possible using every excuse possible. Faces usually face the former heel champ soon after to get rid of any controversy about the title change or that the face just got lucky. I like that idea as well for rematches. The Heel is a heel because he never does something on the up and up.
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Post by graymar on Jun 5, 2008 13:46:16 GMT -4
How do you handle title shot rematches? Do you automatically give the former champion another shot ? Totally storyline, title and fed dependant. Lets say someone has won the TV title and defended for some time...the title loss probably allows him a chance to go for a bigger title - no rematch. Wrestler loses match because of another wrestler - no rematch, go after interferer. Title changes after several months of big title match (ala Orton-HHH) - story gets old, no rematch Someone else earns a shot - no rematch. My thoughts... Graymar
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Post by shazam6000 on Jun 5, 2008 18:54:59 GMT -4
Here's my current situation. Harley Race beat Nick Bockwinkel for my LOW title. I was thinking of giving Bockwinkel a rematch but there are several guys who have better records and deserve a shot one being Johnny Valentine who has a 10-2 record. How would you handle this ?
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Post by Tommy Brownell on Jun 5, 2008 22:14:04 GMT -4
How do you handle title shot rematches? Do you automatically give the former champion another shot ? Totally storyline, title and fed dependant. Lets say someone has won the TV title and defended for some time...the title loss probably allows him a chance to go for a bigger title - no rematch. Wrestler loses match because of another wrestler - no rematch, go after interferer. Title changes after several months of big title match (ala Orton-HHH) - story gets old, no rematch Someone else earns a shot - no rematch. My thoughts... Graymar What he said. This happens a lot with my TV title...I use a point-based rating system...after a certain threshold, you can no longer challenge for the TV title...after another threshold,you can no longer compete for the US or Jr. Heavyweight titles... Ted DiBiase went from losing my TV title to winning the World Heavyweight title because he dominated EVERYONE he came across...to the point that I had him declare that his next defense was his last because he was going to vacate the TV title and demand a World title shot...and ironically, Johnny Valiant beat him in an upset.
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Post by Cory Olson on Jun 5, 2008 22:26:17 GMT -4
Here's my current situation. Harley Race beat Nick Bockwinkel for my LOW title. I was thinking of giving Bockwinkel a rematch but there are several guys who have better records and deserve a shot one being Johnny Valentine who has a 10-2 record. How would you handle this ? In this case, I would probably give Valentine the shot. That way you can "rebuild" Bockwinkel for a rematch, assuming he has a good win-loss record following the title loss. In response to your original question, I usually stay away from immediate title rematches. Some cases in which I do is when it would fit for a title change that was part of feud (Severn vs. Sheik for my Southern title), or if no other challengers were really worthy at that time of a shot.
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